Help me- Tyre Choices

[antonio_chew]

Calling all tire LOVERS...

LCP
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LCP,

How is your Continental CSC 3 now?

Care to comment on noise, wet/dry grip and comfyness? It seem to have beaten the famous but ageing Michelin PS 2 in the latest EVO 2007 and Autobuild 07 tyre tests.


I am very curious about your experience using it on Msian roads.:driver:







:questionmark: :77:


XXX
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XXX, is there any pictures of you and your sifu in the website? Is your PS 2 comfy for normal drive? Or has it gone noisy now?

 

[LCP]

The CSC3 is soft... that's the most distinct impression that I got. Noise is below average for such a tyre category. Have used for maybe 3000-4000km. Grip is good although I have not pushed them to the limits yet, especially in dry weather. As for wet performance, resistance to aquaplaning is good, hitting puddles at 100km/h is still okay, I don't have bigger balls to it any faster...

One thing though, I hafta agree with the Evo mag test, the CSC3 for some reasons, in my opinion, does not feel as sporty, although the numbers from objective tests showed that the grip level, braking distance, etc., are all up there.

 

[slidetaker]

CSC 3 vs CSC2

The CSC3 is soft... that's the most distinct impression that I got. Noise is below average for such a tyre category. Have used for maybe 3000-4000km. Grip is good although I have not pushed them to the limits yet, especially in dry weather. As for wet performance, resistance to aquaplaning is good, hitting puddles at 100km/h is still okay, I don't have bigger balls to it any faster...

One thing though, I hafta agree with the Evo mag test, the CSC3 for some reasons, in my opinion, does not feel as sporty, although the numbers from objective tests showed that the grip level, braking distance, etc., are all up there.

For tire enthusiasts:
A pal bought a set of ContinentalSC 2 (Rm765x4) and after 1000km scrubbing in, he is cursing it on his car. The ride is very bumpy and not quiet but not so loud either. Being low profile, the tire has better than average grip but not comfortable for family ride.

 

[m2turbo]

CSC2 is ducks

For tire enthusiasts:
A pal bought a set of ContinentalSC 2 (Rm765x4) and after 1000km scrubbing in, he is cursing it on his car. The ride is very bumpy and not quiet but not so loud either. Being low profile, the tire has better than average grip but not comfortable for family ride.

:51: Yeeoh man CSportContact2 is quite hard coz of its low profile. It will excerbate the hardness of your ride if your springs are of the lowered variety. What about the others here? hard rides with your tires?:bandit: :stupido2:








:43: :flowers: to uncle xxx for his warm welcome & linear replies. hope to hear more from this dude. always got helpful replies.

:48: cheers to you all dudes. nice to know so many tire freaks here. don make me feel as if im the only one!

 

[AlexNg]

CSC2 definitely much harder than PP2

 

[sanjeevsuresh]

hi there

CSC2 definitely much harder than PP2

:burnout:
I agree with Alex!

Which tires do you think is better (in which ways) ????????

 

[sanjeevsuresh]

Lcp

The CSC3 is soft... that's the most distinct impression that I got. Noise is below average for such a tyre category. Have used for maybe 3000-4000km. Grip is good although I have not pushed them to the limits yet, especially in dry weather. As for wet performance, resistance to aquaplaning is good, hitting puddles at 100km/h is still okay, I don't have bigger balls to it any faster...

One thing though, I hafta agree with the Evo mag test, the CSC3 for some reasons, in my opinion, does not feel as sporty, although the numbers from objective tests showed that the grip level, braking distance, etc., are all up there.

:listen:
Is the Michelin Pilot Sport 2 more comfortable than your CSC3 ? Noise is my biggest worry aside from wet grip which I value most.

 

[AlexNg]

:burnout:
I agree with Alex!

Which tires do you think is better (in which ways) ????????

Assuming all are non-Thai and non-Local produce (meaning fully imported from Japan or somewhere else)

CSC2 - noisy, hard, grip not bad but still not so good, wears slower

PP2 - soft, quiet, dunno bout wear level but i think its higher and good grip too.

this is my 0.00002 cents only:top:

 

[antonio_chew]

Comparing to Michelin PS 2

The CSC3 is soft... that's the most distinct impression that I got. Noise is below average for such a tyre category. Have used for maybe 3000-4000km. Grip is good although I have not pushed them to the limits yet, especially in dry weather. As for wet performance, resistance to aquaplaning is good, hitting puddles at 100km/h is still okay, I don't have bigger balls to it any faster...

One thing though, I hafta agree with the Evo mag test, the CSC3 for some reasons, in my opinion, does not feel as sporty, although the numbers from objective tests showed that the grip level, braking distance, etc., are all up there.

Can anybody relate their personal experience with regards to the Michelin PS 2...ride & feel?

Please compare it to something? My brother can't decide between the Continental CSC3 and the Michelin PS 2. Looks like quite a number of fellow drivers have complained about the older CSC2 tire being quite noisy and hard. :top: :top: :top:

 

[guru]

i like Eagle's F1.. they corner like you're on rails. and rainy weather you can treat like dry weather driving. superb for me. What do you guys think?

 

[LCP]

No chance to compare my CSC3 to PS2 yet... Anyway, I went through deep puddles at 50-60km/h on BORR (Butterworth Outer Ring Road) on Sunday night, car was rock steady, none of those feeling that the steering is being tugged to one side. The parallel grooves on the CSC3 are really wide, so I think they can channel water away effectively. But whether such wide grooves caused the contact patch surface area to be reduced in dry weather grip remains to be seen...

 

[astroboy]

I doubt there's a "suite all" tyre. Even the F1 teams carry many sets of tyres for their races for different tracks despite all circuits are tarmac.

I never listen to others on tyre recommendation because no one understand my driving better than myself and the type of road we travel.

Some prefer quiet
Some prefer least aquaplaning (my main preference)
Some prefer stable cornering
Some prefer good fuel consumption
Some prefer long lasting
Some prefer comfortable
Some prefer cheap
Some prefer good braking
Some prefer brand

As u can see, the combination is infinite and obviously u can't have all.. what u want?

 

[absidian]

I agree the CSC2 although grippy it was slightly hard/noisy, but it was also quite light and responsive compared to say, the Eagle F1 GSD3.

F1GSD3 for me was the most consistent ride/response, even across different tyre sizes. Grip and handling is really good, but I find it slightly "heavy" and it tramlined a bit more because of the deep directional V-grooves, which is about the same characteristic to be expected of any aggresive v-groove tyre.

My personal choices have been:
F1GSD3 for daily drive BMWs (best compromise so far)
Toyo Proxes T1-S/R for low mileage FWD JDM cars (grippiest, lightest but wears down real fast)
Toyo R888 for my track biatch
Michelin PS2 for powerful heavier cars (merc, 5 series, etc)
Michelin Primacy for laid-back, 4dr econo saloons
Falken/Kumho for the Proton this-and-thats.

But at the end of the day different people will have different preferences!

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[samsam]

F1 Standard Tire

i like Eagle's F1.. they corner like you're on rails. and rainy weather you can treat like dry weather driving. superb for me. What do you guys think?

:egg:
I love the F1. It was terrific when new. I am referring to the ones from Germany. But if noise is an important issue, the F1 will start becoming noisy after 4 or 5 months of normal driving to work and home again. Dry weather steering feel may not be to everyone liking.
I am looking foward to trying the yet to be release in Malaysia Goodyear F1 Asymmetric.
This is suppose to be even better according to overseas reviews.

CSC2 have some sidewall crack problems reported in this region.

Anybody with Michelin Pilot Sport 2 problems?

 

[irsnudd]

I doubt there's a "suite all" tyre. Even the F1 teams carry many sets of tyres for their races for different tracks despite all circuits are tarmac.

I never listen to others on tyre recommendation because no one understand my driving better than myself and the type of road we travel.

Some prefer quiet
Some prefer least aquaplaning (my main preference)
Some prefer stable cornering
Some prefer good fuel consumption
Some prefer long lasting
Some prefer comfortable
Some prefer cheap
Some prefer good braking
Some prefer brand

As u can see, the combination is infinite and obviously u can't have all.. what u want?

Astroboy's list above is what some refer to as 'real world' driving. Like everything else in life...its a compromise. One thing I noticed....no mention of Dunlop SP 9000. Using it in my w208... love it ...and still loving it :love: . Plan to change tyres in my e60 525i soonest possible... was thinking CSC3....maybe PS2.....maybe Eagle F1....still undecided. Spoilt for choices...:106:

 

[astroboy]

I read the BMW user manual that BMW recommends tyre with a star logo on the side wall of the tyre. That means it has been tested by BMW, jointly developed with BMW and are suitable for BMW.

How important is this STAR? Any significance?

 

[sherrif]

Michelin P-s 3

I doubt there's a "suite all" tyre. Even the F1 teams carry many sets of tyres for their races for different tracks despite all circuits are tarmac.

I never listen to others on tyre recommendation because no one understand my driving better than myself and the type of road we travel.

Some prefer quiet
Some prefer least aquaplaning (my main preference)
Some prefer stable cornering
Some prefer good fuel consumption
Some prefer long lasting
Some prefer comfortable
Some prefer cheap
Some prefer good braking
Some prefer brand

As u can see, the combination is infinite and obviously u can't have all.. what u want?

I READ SO MUCH HERE AND I SERIOUSLY THINK IF YOU WANT THE BEST COMPROMISE AROUND * A1 GRIP WET/DRY AND COMFORT * YOU OBVIOUSLY ARE DESCRIBING THE MICHELIN P-S 2!

I read about Michelin P-S 3 on the way.
SO MAYBE IT IS A GOOD TIME TO WAIT FOR THE LATEST TO COME. DON'T BOTHER TO WAIT IF YOU ARE IN MALAYSIA. SANGAT LAMBAT.
THE ONLY WAY IS TO DRIVE DOWN TO TINY KUCHI SINGAPORE AND GET THEM...FIRST.

IF YOU WANT NON LOW PROFILE STANDARD TIRES, GO FOR BRIDGESTONE. THEY ARE REALLY GOOD.

 

[wc9922]

If you are going to spend this amount of money, then go for the best, Michelin PS-2. It's the benchmark. Michelin in general make good tyres, the quality control is very good especially in control of tyre ovality or bujur-ness and the weight difference between high-low.

As a comparison, I have Yokohama's on my front 235/45/17. Balancing weights required are around 90 grams each wheel. On my rears Michelin PS-2 255/40/17, I only needed around 35-45 grams of weight to balance out. So it shows the Michelins are really worth the money.

It is also true the tires tread patters and rounded side walls on the PS-2 doesn't inspire visual confidence compared so say RE050 or Advan Sport etc but on the road, this is where it shines. so go pick the best money can buy but jaga the manufacturing dates on the PS-2. Not more than 1year is ok.

 

[ilovepaulaabdul]

About Michelins...

If you are going to spend this amount of money, then go for the best, Michelin PS-2. It's the benchmark. Michelin in general make good tyres, the quality control is very good especially in control of tyre ovality or bujur-ness and the weight difference between high-low.

As a comparison, I have Yokohama's on my front 235/45/17. Balancing weights required are around 90 grams each wheel. On my rears Michelin PS-2 255/40/17, I only needed around 35-45 grams of weight to balance out. So it shows the Michelins are really worth the money.

It is also true the tires tread patters and rounded side walls on the PS-2 doesn't inspire visual confidence compared so say RE050 or Advan Sport etc but on the road, this is where it shines. so go pick the best money can buy but jaga the manufacturing dates on the PS-2. Not more than 1year is ok.

I bought my set of Pilot Preceda 2 early last year 2007. Before that is was Bridgestone G3. I can tell you guys this much: the Michelin Pilot Preceda 2 is a real stinker of a tyre!
I had so many tiny steering vibration problems on my car. First the tyre shop people would try their famous line "must be yor rims lah!" .... BULLSIT I say. I never had any vibrations with the older Bridgestone G3. After 3 times going back, the boss said maybe it could be a manufacturing defect...one front tyre could be lesser than 99% round. Whatever this meant, I waited for 4 weeks to get a replacement. The vibration was lessened but still there!
I hope those who paid big bucks for their Michelin Pilot 2 don't have the same kind of irritating problem I had with the cheaper PP2!
I can't wait to get rid of this PP2!!! :14: :14:

Kin Foo
BMW 528 CBU





*Gotta watch American Idol /Boiling Points to relieve all the stresses I get driving my car with this damn PP2.

 

[Alan Teh]

i prefer RE001 adrenalin imported from japan