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i believe the actual price is in the region of rm50k..now add all the TAXES and hey presto!!! u have a rm80k car!! but eventhough its still affordable,u still feel like u are being slaughtered by ur own government..
I don't think there's much basis for comparing the 2. I've not driven the Swift, but there's a MAJOR difference in cabin materials, quality, fit and finish. Don't also think that the Myvi's DVVT is smooth or quiet. Its not, but it gives a decent showing even in auto mode. Its not fun to drive. At all. But it accelerates decently and the brakes are good. I feel its more spacious and certainly airier than the Swift, but its very clear which one is the better made vehicle. I don't think it can tiong a Swift very well.
These pics were posted here on another thread, but I thought I'd share it with you here too. It was taken in PJ in mid-June, and boy, you should have seen the amount of stares that these 2 hot-off-the-press superminis got from the young ladies during lunchtime!
These pics were posted here on another thread, but I thought I'd share it with you here too. It was taken in PJ in mid-June, and boy, you should have seen the amount of stares that these 2 hot-off-the-press superminis got from the young ladies during lunchtime!
Auto's no fun. With a small capacity manual car, you can be bouncing off the rev limiter in most of your day-to-day driving and not have to actually go that fast (or take dumbass risks). Ah, perfect antidote to a hard day's work, but of course the gearshift, clutch and steering must be responsive, informative and accurate. I have no doubt that any manual Swift will be able to satisfy me in this regard.
BTW, the Savvy's pretty darn good, though the engine has no top-end. Good enough bottom to lower-mid torque though.
BTW, the Savvy's pretty darn good, though the engine has no top-end. Good enough bottom to lower-mid torque though.
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I've been seeing a lot of Myvi-s out there lately and have to say, I like the car. It looks well made, practical and spacious. Hope it's also fun to drive!
The 4-door manual version (if at all) of the Swift is worth serious thought....
Nah, JBP, the myvi is not fun in handling terms, but it is rather peppy and the engine is responsive, all the way to about 5.5k It's quite fun to harass other vehicles and the taller height gives it a bit more bargaining power. Launching from roundabouts is never a problem. I also like the "lower" profile. Had it tinted recently, feels a lot cooler inside now. No problem at all outrunning demented modded Kenari / Kelisas but the stock suspension of the myvi can't take lane changes the way those cars can.
Still on the subject of other cars, I just saw an Isuzu mu-7 on test today. Strikes me as the perfect combo of lifestyle and true off road ability. Very, very nice, but way beyond my budget.
Nah, JBP, the myvi is not fun in handling terms, but it is rather peppy and the engine is responsive, all the way to about 5.5k It's quite fun to harass other vehicles and the taller height gives it a bit more bargaining power. Launching from roundabouts is never a problem. I also like the "lower" profile. Had it tinted recently, feels a lot cooler inside now. No problem at all outrunning demented modded Kenari / Kelisas but the stock suspension of the myvi can't take lane changes the way those cars can.
Still on the subject of other cars, I just saw an Isuzu mu-7 on test today. Strikes me as the perfect combo of lifestyle and true off road ability. Very, very nice, but way beyond my budget.
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:blink: when did this become a MYVi thread????
anyways,if the prices don't go up too much i'd probably still go for the Swift.like i said earlier,i've had enough of Pero2s..don't get me wrong,they are very well made cars but the suspension has serious issues man!!! i know,i have one..and i doubt the MYVi will be any different.
so its Swift manual for me..praying the prices won't go up too much!! :yes:
anyways,if the prices don't go up too much i'd probably still go for the Swift.like i said earlier,i've had enough of Pero2s..don't get me wrong,they are very well made cars but the suspension has serious issues man!!! i know,i have one..and i doubt the MYVi will be any different.
so its Swift manual for me..praying the prices won't go up too much!! :yes:
Just discussing for comparison's sake, but as I said, there is no comparison lah.......any word on when the Swift manual arriving? Honestly, they'd be downright dumb to assume that every single person one wants an auto. Given who the CEO is, I'm sure he realises that!
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haven't heard anything on the manual yet..if y'all do please giv us a shout.no time to go check it out yet.dunno what colour to get yet la..spoilt for choice.black looks nice but i think it'll be a very common colour.not many people will get the silver i think..can do it up euro style..
read this article in EVO Malaysia..the guy whacked the 1.5 auto until the speedo ran out of numbers man!!! says somethin' 'bout the car doesn't it?? :nyehehe:
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this is da swift GTI
Nice to see you back schone. Sorry our little big-6 comparo didn't pan out in the end!
For the 4-door Swift, I think silver's the nicest, but that semi-solid grey seems to be the most popular. Personally, I think small cars better in lighter colours.
For the 4-door Swift, I think silver's the nicest, but that semi-solid grey seems to be the most popular. Personally, I think small cars better in lighter colours.
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i seriously like da orange Swift!
Its the GTI!!!!!!!!! Check out the review by John Simister, no less.
The GTI tag was probably dropped for Europe given insurance concerns.
http://www.channel4.com/4car/road-tests/dr...ft/sport-3.html
Suzuki's new Swift, the unexpectedly good supermini with the low price and the Mini-meets-Mégane looks, has spawned a souped-up sibling due for UK sale next June. It has an engine enlarged to 1.6 litres, a power output of 125bhp and we've been driving a prototype in Japan.
This is the car that will form the basis of Suzuki's next Junior World Rally Championship contender, and it will carry a big weight of expectation given that the Ignis has already been an unlikely winner of that championship. Clearly the rally car will be far removed from the road version, but the new Sport shows much promise.
4Car sampled the Swift at Suzuki's Ryuyo test track near the company's base in Hamamatsu, west of Tokyo, a track with curves of variable camber and radius, a long and undulating straight and the opportunity to find out more about a car's character than many test tracks offer. We found out enough to help convince the project's chief engineer, Eiji Mochizuki, that a few chassis changes might be a good idea, but the bottom line is that at £10,500, the Swift Sport will be a major bargain.
The prototype pictured has a five-door body, which will be standard issue in Japan, but European Sports - which will be made at the Magyar Suzuki factory in Hungary - will all be three-doors. Otherwise the look is similar: gaping vents in the front valance with blade-like aerodynamic tabs, side sills shaped to reduce rear lift, a tailgate spoiler and a deep rear valance from which sprouts a wide-based pair of hefty tailpipes. The rear lights have round elements beneath their wrapover lenses, and the wheels fill the ample arches convincingly. Wheel size is 16-inch as standard, 17-inchers optionally, shod with 195/50 or 195/45 tyres.
Surprisingly, the ride height is no lower than standard (because the wheels are bigger), but there are plenty of other suspension changes to suit the Sport's role. Their overall effect is a 20 percent rise in roll stiffness, or resistance to leaning in corners, achieved by stiffening the front springs and dampers by 20 percent, the rear ones by 15 percent and the torsion beam of the rear suspension by a hefty 30 percent. There are no changes to the rubber mounting bushes in this prototype car, but that will probably change. The electrically-powered steering remains standard, too, but the front brakes grow by an inch in diameter and the rear drums are replaced with discs.
And the engine? Its piston stroke is lengthened to bring the capacity up to 1586cc, the compression ratio rises to 11 to one, and there are lots of other changes to this twin-cam, 16-valve unit to bring the power to 125bhp at 6800rpm and torque to 109lb ft at 4800rpm. It sounds like it might be a peaky, revvy engine, and so it proves, but the variable inlet-cam timing does help plump up the lower reaches of the torque curve.
The programming of that variable timing is altered, the cams have more lift, the valve springs are tougher to cope with the higher revs, and the exhaust system flows more freely. And whereas the regular Swift is one of the few modern cars to retain a cable-operated throttle, the Sport gets a drive-by-wire system which is tuned to give a bigger initial opening for a small pedal movement and so make the engine seem livelier.
Open the door, sit inside and you're not struck by a massive visual sportification offensive. There are pieces of aluminium-look plastic on the dash and doors, plus real aluminium pedals and footrest. Various outbreaks of red stitching make an appearance along with chrome dial rings and a leather-rim steering wheel. I think it's probably enough, along with the more supportive seats, but some buyers may want a racier approach.
The real proof of the Swift's Sport makeover comes in the driving. The engine is a sweet, revvy thing whose nature is given its head by shorter, closer gear ratios. It will take the Sport to 124mph, and from a standstill to 62mph in nine seconds; 'Our target is less,' says Mochizuki, who is still working on extracting some more pace. One of the two cars I drove felt faster, reaching just under 120mph by the end of the undulating main straight, and there are still some calibrations to fine-tune.
Same goes for the suspension. I'll start with what I shall call Car A. Into the first fast bend, and the Sport darts in with minimal steering resistance and a strong feeling that the rear tyres are flat. Back off and there's a tightening of the cornering line not experienced since a 205 GTI, but without that car's focus and feedback. It does not inspire confidence… but then you realise you can drive through this no-man's land of numbness, find that all the rubberiness has been taken up and that the Swift isn't going to spin, and revel in what has now transformed itself into a grippy, interactive, talkative little thing with the cornering attitude of a race car. It's huge fun, but learning to trust it might be a problem.
So I try Car B. Massive difference: there's none of that loosing of the tail on turn-in, all seems tight, taut and tied down, and still I can zoom through corners with understeer held in check and drifts on the agenda. But it's not quite as fast out of the corners, and something is holding it back. That's right; Car B has ESP, Car A does not. All Euro cars will be ESP-equipped, but Suzuki recognises that ESP should be a long-stop safety aid, not a fix for a flawed chassis.
Engineer Mochizuki has a workaround in mind, which is to reduce the lateral compliance of the rear torsion beam's rubber mountings, and to mount the steering rack solidly to the front subframe instead of on rubber blocks. That will keep the pointy, throttle-sensitive balance and all the fun, while adding precision and focus and taking away that feeling of drifting on ice. It should also make it possible to raise the ESP's activation threshold. The ride, currently quite serene and well-controlled for a warm hatch, should survive intact.
Thus honed, the Swift Sport should be a great budget sporty hatchback. And it will be fun to think that we've helped a bit in the honing.
The GTI tag was probably dropped for Europe given insurance concerns.
http://www.channel4.com/4car/road-tests/dr...ft/sport-3.html
Suzuki's new Swift, the unexpectedly good supermini with the low price and the Mini-meets-Mégane looks, has spawned a souped-up sibling due for UK sale next June. It has an engine enlarged to 1.6 litres, a power output of 125bhp and we've been driving a prototype in Japan.
This is the car that will form the basis of Suzuki's next Junior World Rally Championship contender, and it will carry a big weight of expectation given that the Ignis has already been an unlikely winner of that championship. Clearly the rally car will be far removed from the road version, but the new Sport shows much promise.
4Car sampled the Swift at Suzuki's Ryuyo test track near the company's base in Hamamatsu, west of Tokyo, a track with curves of variable camber and radius, a long and undulating straight and the opportunity to find out more about a car's character than many test tracks offer. We found out enough to help convince the project's chief engineer, Eiji Mochizuki, that a few chassis changes might be a good idea, but the bottom line is that at £10,500, the Swift Sport will be a major bargain.
The prototype pictured has a five-door body, which will be standard issue in Japan, but European Sports - which will be made at the Magyar Suzuki factory in Hungary - will all be three-doors. Otherwise the look is similar: gaping vents in the front valance with blade-like aerodynamic tabs, side sills shaped to reduce rear lift, a tailgate spoiler and a deep rear valance from which sprouts a wide-based pair of hefty tailpipes. The rear lights have round elements beneath their wrapover lenses, and the wheels fill the ample arches convincingly. Wheel size is 16-inch as standard, 17-inchers optionally, shod with 195/50 or 195/45 tyres.
Surprisingly, the ride height is no lower than standard (because the wheels are bigger), but there are plenty of other suspension changes to suit the Sport's role. Their overall effect is a 20 percent rise in roll stiffness, or resistance to leaning in corners, achieved by stiffening the front springs and dampers by 20 percent, the rear ones by 15 percent and the torsion beam of the rear suspension by a hefty 30 percent. There are no changes to the rubber mounting bushes in this prototype car, but that will probably change. The electrically-powered steering remains standard, too, but the front brakes grow by an inch in diameter and the rear drums are replaced with discs.
And the engine? Its piston stroke is lengthened to bring the capacity up to 1586cc, the compression ratio rises to 11 to one, and there are lots of other changes to this twin-cam, 16-valve unit to bring the power to 125bhp at 6800rpm and torque to 109lb ft at 4800rpm. It sounds like it might be a peaky, revvy engine, and so it proves, but the variable inlet-cam timing does help plump up the lower reaches of the torque curve.
The programming of that variable timing is altered, the cams have more lift, the valve springs are tougher to cope with the higher revs, and the exhaust system flows more freely. And whereas the regular Swift is one of the few modern cars to retain a cable-operated throttle, the Sport gets a drive-by-wire system which is tuned to give a bigger initial opening for a small pedal movement and so make the engine seem livelier.
Open the door, sit inside and you're not struck by a massive visual sportification offensive. There are pieces of aluminium-look plastic on the dash and doors, plus real aluminium pedals and footrest. Various outbreaks of red stitching make an appearance along with chrome dial rings and a leather-rim steering wheel. I think it's probably enough, along with the more supportive seats, but some buyers may want a racier approach.
The real proof of the Swift's Sport makeover comes in the driving. The engine is a sweet, revvy thing whose nature is given its head by shorter, closer gear ratios. It will take the Sport to 124mph, and from a standstill to 62mph in nine seconds; 'Our target is less,' says Mochizuki, who is still working on extracting some more pace. One of the two cars I drove felt faster, reaching just under 120mph by the end of the undulating main straight, and there are still some calibrations to fine-tune.
Same goes for the suspension. I'll start with what I shall call Car A. Into the first fast bend, and the Sport darts in with minimal steering resistance and a strong feeling that the rear tyres are flat. Back off and there's a tightening of the cornering line not experienced since a 205 GTI, but without that car's focus and feedback. It does not inspire confidence… but then you realise you can drive through this no-man's land of numbness, find that all the rubberiness has been taken up and that the Swift isn't going to spin, and revel in what has now transformed itself into a grippy, interactive, talkative little thing with the cornering attitude of a race car. It's huge fun, but learning to trust it might be a problem.
So I try Car B. Massive difference: there's none of that loosing of the tail on turn-in, all seems tight, taut and tied down, and still I can zoom through corners with understeer held in check and drifts on the agenda. But it's not quite as fast out of the corners, and something is holding it back. That's right; Car B has ESP, Car A does not. All Euro cars will be ESP-equipped, but Suzuki recognises that ESP should be a long-stop safety aid, not a fix for a flawed chassis.
Engineer Mochizuki has a workaround in mind, which is to reduce the lateral compliance of the rear torsion beam's rubber mountings, and to mount the steering rack solidly to the front subframe instead of on rubber blocks. That will keep the pointy, throttle-sensitive balance and all the fun, while adding precision and focus and taking away that feeling of drifting on ice. It should also make it possible to raise the ESP's activation threshold. The ride, currently quite serene and well-controlled for a warm hatch, should survive intact.
Thus honed, the Swift Sport should be a great budget sporty hatchback. And it will be fun to think that we've helped a bit in the honing.
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