Dynaudio System 240 Mk.II speakers

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Anyone has used this before? Any review? Auditioned a pair, found the sound to be very neutral with very good tonal balance. Was offered RM1.9k including installation. And, has anyone come across fake Dynaudios here in Malaysia? What are the models? Thanks.
 
Hi bro,

Long post coming up - I guess I can comment on em since I'd used them for quite a while some time back. My experience were limited to their famous System 240 MK II and System 360 models - a 2 way and 3 way matched pair components respectively. There's also the cheaper System 240GT with a pair of 6.5 inch midbass units using stamped steel basket as opposed to the more complex and expensive cast steel basket 7 inch mid bass drivers of the System 240 or 360. Which one did you audition, bro ?

So, looks like you've been bitten by the Danish Butter Cookies bug, eh ? The Dyns are rather accomplished all rounders IMO having toyed with them in the past. To my ears atleast, they faithfully reproduce music in a very natural and almost original studio monitor like quality. In many ways, they are tonally and dynamically accurate, exhibit excellent transient response and are extremely phase coherent while being easy on the ear and non tiring for extended periods of listening. They excel with almost all forms of music genres except on heavy metal, hard rock & techno where listeners may dislike the Dyns apparent lack of attack or pace as compared to Focal or MB Quart drivers.

The MW170 mid driver is well known for its mid bass reproduction capability while being very neutral and uncolored in it performance. These are one of the most neutral sounding drivers in its price bracket which means poor quality recordings will not be so easily tolerated. The MD100 tweeters are not exactly my favourite - I find them a little too subdued and lifeless but the general perception about them are of a smooth, neutral and accurate performers. The supplied X250 passive crossovers although made with fine internals/components are rather simple in design and pales to the newer generation passive crossovers that offers tonnes of tuning and control options. In my experience atleast, the crossover itself is power hungry and its crossover points set seems to suit on-axis use best which may prove to be an obstacle for you. In fact, most Dyn 240 users that I know of has long ditched the passives and went with the active route for tuning flexibility and more driver control.

Do pay special attention to the tweeter/midbass placement /layout as this has a huge impact on the overall performance of the babies. When "tweeked" and set up right, these speakers will reveal EVERYTHING, but in the most musical way. The little things you didn't hear before, like musical space/silence between notes, vocal tecniques and instruments is nothing short of amazing. And till today, despite being quite an old driver design, very few drivers in the same price bracket are able to rival the MW170 midbass unit for vocal handling - in many ways it's also due to the unique motor structure/construction (massive 3 inch voice coils), giving them exceptional control over the cone / dynamics. The general idea is that Dyns are power hungry components and they do thrive of power - lots of it. Running on passive crossovers, you're looking at a minimum of 130-150W per channel from a decent 2 channel amplifier though they seem to sound even better with about 200W per channel. Ditching the passives means that you'll have more option and a decent 4 channel amp with 75-100W minimum per channel should do the job nicely. BTW, you'll also might want to bear in mind that the Dyns can be rather amplifier fussy so you'll need to shop for an amp that suits that overall type of sound that you're trying achieve. In my experience, both my Genesis amps - Dual Mono (passive set-up) and Four Channel (active set-up) were perfect partners for these babies and complemented them beautifully.

And yes, sadly even Dynaudio has fallen victim to the slew of fakes that seems to flood the Asian market - please verify the authenticity of the speakers that you're buying and ensure that it was brought in thru the official distibutor. Lelong.com is a good place to start for those want the fake sets - I've not gotten my hands on them yet to hear exactly how they sound.

Cheers,
VaN.
 
Oh wow, what a comprehensive review, thanks Van. I auditioned the System 240 Mk.II (not the 240GT), at Golden here in Penang. The 240 Mk.II is still the current model in the US, but Europe already has System 242. I sure hope those are real Danish butter cookies... I arrived at the same conclusion regarding the neutrality of the MW170, very impressed.

One question, if I were to run them active, do I need the impedance correction circuit recommended by the spec sheet? Here's my plan:

MW170 mid bass: run them with the 22uF capacitor and 3.9ohm resistor shunt as recommended.

MD100 tweeter: use the X250 crossover, set to +2dB, put a 4.7ohm resistor on the woofer output.

With the above circuitry, each amp will see (I hope) a linear impedance across the frequency range, resulting in less chance of weird I-V phase relationship which could make the sound wierd.
 
Yeah, Dynaudio has finally released their much awaited new models though there's still no news of their expected local arrival. As for the fakes, I doubt that Uncle will send any fakes given his reputation with the ICE community in PEN - just be sure to run the serial numbers thru with the local distributor for peace of mind.

Now the question about the impedance correction circuit is somewhat baffling cos I don't recall anyone talking about it. Almost all of the users I know of ran the drivers straight out via amp or HU cross-overs without any complication. I ran mine using the Eclipse HU crossovers and they actually needed very minimal EQing at all to sound nice. What did Uncle say about this ? Is he suggesting the correction circuit as well ?

Regards,
VaN.
 
The impedance correction circuit was recommended by the Dyn's own spec sheet that I downloaded. Then 2 of my hard core home audio friends said the impedance correction circuit is there for a good and valid reason, which I tended to believe them. Maybe that could be why the 240 is choosy when it comes to amps.

Haven't talked in depth to Uncle yet on the Dyns... Will discuss with him when I really cannot stand procrastinating about buying this anymore... I procrastinate too much, really! :)

Here's Dynaudio's spec sheet:
http://www.dynaudiousa.com/mainmenu/brochure/pdf/brochure/mobilespec02.pdf
 
Hahahaha ... yeah, it looks like you're definitely smitten by them. But one of the usual observation that we've noticed about the Dyns is that a powerful amplifier alone is not sufficient at times - it must also be strong enough to control these drivers thru complex passages of music above all. I've seen a number of powerful amplifiers (on paper atleast) falter with these comps despite having the right amount of power output.

Thanks for the link - I'll check up on the tech sheet as well and speak to a few current users for confirmation.

Cheers,
VaN.
 
Btw Van, the midbass in System 240 Mk II is MW160, not the MW170, I believe the MW170 is the 8".
 
LCP said:
Btw Van, the midbass in System 240 Mk II is MW160, not the MW170, I believe the MW170 is the 8".

Yeah man ... you're right. My mistake for confusing the 7 incher with the 8. Sorry! Did you buy the comps already ? I've yet to hear from any of my pals ... will get back to you as soon as I do.

Cheers,
VaN.
 
Haven't bought yet, I think I may have a PhD in procrastination... :D
 
btw hope you guys dont mind - i have a question : does anyone know if the mw160 fits in e46 stock locations ? dont want to carve up my door TOO much :)
 
Hi bro,

Nope - there just isn't enough breathing space for the magnet to get thru. The mid unit is of a cast steel basket design and needs a fair amount of clearance to fit. In fact, with an approx. mounting depth of 77mm, it won't even fit in my own E36 front stock location without building customs kick panels. The E46 front door stock location is even more shallow.

Cheers,
VaN.
 
Van
thanks for the reply. cutting of the metal "could" be ok for me i guess if its just to get enough depth. was more concerned on the diameters of the darned things as the door trim doesn't seem very forgiving - seems kinda narrow there from the grille to the edge.

LCP
just curious - how are you fitting yours btw? have been to golden before and they seem confident on fitting the 7" strangely enough but am still kinda nervous. could be the 'anything can' mentality.
 
I plan to put mine on the doors, have already bought a pair of front door panels from a chop shop near BM so I don't hafta cut my original door panels. Should be able to fit... I think affan is running 7" on his E36, right eh?
 
Btw, the MW160 midbass is not exactly 7", a bit less I think.
 
LCP,

Affan's Eton 7 inch mid bass units are almost similar to the MW160s - not quite a full sized 7 inchers but still larger than most 6.5 inch. Glad that you've got a plan for the mounting part ... all the best and hope to see the end results soon. I'm taking a breather from ICE for a while! LOL!

Perdanatt,

I think it wud be wise to remove the door panel trim of the E46 front doors to see how much space is actually available for mounting/mods. If I remember correctly, the speaker pods on the E46 are actually built on to the door trim/panel itself as opposed to the door chassis itself. Rather hard to explain this without a pic but you'll know what I'm trying to say once you remove the door panel itself.

Take out the factory foam cover and you'll find a metal pillar directly behind the metal area where you'll want your mid bass to sit. This is the tricky bit to cut - the idea is not to cut into the pillar. The speaker doesn't sit into the door itself, but rather this cavity is actually for the mid bass to drive into the door/pod. With thick spacers and atleast 3 layers of good sound proofing ( one on the outer skin and two on the inner metal part - do not skimp here! ) and once nicely done, the rest of the door becomes a proper sealed enclosure for the speaker.

There's a heck of lot of work .... and some cost involved so be sure that you & your installer too are really up to the task. I've sat in a E46 Saloon with the same mods done to its front doors some time back - running a pair of 3 way Seas Lotus Reference set upfront with the huge Seas RW165 6.5 inch midbass units ( mounting depth of nearly 80mm! ) in the custom made door pods and they absolutely rock!

Regards,
VaN.
 
Vanquish said:
LCP,

There's a heck of lot of work .... and some cost involved so be sure that you & your installer too are really up to the task. I've sat in a E46 Saloon with the same mods done to its front doors some time back - running a pair of 3 way Seas Lotus Reference set upfront with the huge Seas RW165 6.5 inch midbass units ( mounting depth of nearly 80mm! ) in the custom made door pods and they absolutely rock!

Regards,
VaN.

Van
can u pm me the installer who did it ? hoping he's @ KL. i am considering a used 2-way seas ref. too :D
 
Hi bro,

Unfortunately, the whole works was designed and done in S'pore actually - owner/car are from Malaysia though. Guess he just didn't feel too confident with the local shops to work on his baby. Full Seas Reference set up : 3 way Seas Reference front comps + Seas Reference 12 sub + amplification by Genesis (yay!).

Neway, which version of the Reference comps are you going for ? The older version or the recently announced improved version which should be available locally by now ? Either way, IMO the Reference tweets ( both the silk or metal domes ) are superb tweets but the clincher is always, the RW165 or the newer RW165/1 midbass units. Simply put, they are one of the most complete midbass units out there in their range - very accurate and open, detailed without being overly analytical, very neutral without being too dry but with a nice snappy (realistic) midbass that has won itself fans all over. My next project itself involves the much praised 8 ohms Seas Nextel coned mid bass units from their Excel range!

Cheers,
VaN.
 
Vanquish said:
Neway, which version of the Reference comps are you going for ? The older version or the recently announced improved version which should be available locally by now ?

have my sights on the older one, but am getting them overseas. problem is the pictures show some weaknesses with one of the speaker terminals so i'm hesitant. if the deal ever goes through, i'll post on the results!
 
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