V-Power - Hmmmm.....

[MSport]

Just wanted to "treat" my car to V-Power on 2 refills. :love:Noticed that I could go further than normal (of course at a premium price per liter) by about 50km+. But the OBC shows the same FC but the estimated mileage range is further. Also, my journey routes remain about the same.Anybody have the same situation? What is there in V-Power that does this?P.S Cannot tahan lah to pay the RM0.45/lit extra. Will revert back to normal the next round after my current tank runs out.

 

[infinityKL]

hi Msport, i second that...

My rides only drinks Vpower.. im getting more mileage too compared to a year ago when i was still on regular... on a full tank im getting an extra 50-60km's..

 

[nikazwaa]

But does the extra price justify the extra mileage?

 

[turbology]

Try Shell Super.
Same RON octane as V-power.

You get less mileage with Regular because is only RON 92. (not because the gas is bad, is because you get timing retard)
Some Shell station only have Regular and V-power. Why no Super ? Because V-power is more profitable

 

[MSport]

But does the extra price justify the extra mileage?

That's the big-big question! :wink:

For my E90, full tank is about 63liters. Assuming you pump to about 60 liters, which is RM2.00 x 60 liters = RM120

Compared to V-Power is RM2.45 x 60 liters = RM147

Will RM27 justify the additional 50-60km? Let's translate RM27 back to petrol at RM2.00 per liter which is about 13.5 liters.

13.5 liters for 50-60km? Is it worth it? Assuming the manufacturer's specs for 325 is 9l/100km, it's a bit under. But given our malaysian traffic, looks reasonable though.

P.S Not sure what additional additives are there in V-Power though.

 

[Schwepps]

Just wanted to "treat" my car to V-Power on 2 refills. :love:

Noticed that I could go further than normal (of course at a premium price per liter) by about 50km+. But the OBC shows the same FC but the estimated mileage range is further. Also, my journey routes remain about the same.

Anybody have the same situation? What is there in V-Power that does this?

P.S Cannot tahan lah to pay the RM0.45/lit extra. Will revert back to normal the next round after my current tank runs out.

MSport, I've been using V-Power exclusively in my E90, and my long term FC is 11.8 after 11,000km. If you're getting 12+ to 13+ FC compared to my 11.8, then I reckon that the extra cost is worth it. Are you looking at your trip FC or long term FC? It's not going to show a difference if you're looking at long term FC as that is an average. You should base your calculations on trip FC.

Mind you, my right foot is pretty heavy as I believe in bringing the engine near to red-line at least every few days. So I've been impressed with the E90's FC for a 218hp car. :top:

BTW, in terms of power, I can't feel a difference between Super and V-Power in my more powerful cars, but I can certainly feel the difference in our small car and previous 4WD.

 

[chookleng]

Try Shell Super.
Same RON octane as V-power.

You get less mileage with Regular because is only RON 92. (not because the gas is bad, is because you get timing retard)
Some Shell station only have Regular and V-power. Why no Super ? Because V-power is more profitable

dude the shell "super" is also in red colour right? wat is the price? ehhh u sure the super is same v-power?

 

[evilnickwong]

I thought Regular is RON92, Super is RON97 and V-Power is RON99.

 

[turbology]

I thought Regular is RON92, Super is RON97 and V-Power is RON99.

No.
Regular is RON92
Super and V-power are both RON97

 

[chookleng]

No.
Regular is RON92
Super and V-power are both RON97

bro, wat fuel u feed ur ride then? v-power or super?

 

[turbology]

Neither.
I prefer Caltex or Mobil. RON 97 for my e36 of course.

Is hard to find Super or Regular on Shell gas station.(they either have one or the other, never both. My VIOS use RON 92). So I just give up shell, and don't go.

 

[B33mEr]

BHP ... i'm surprised no one mentioned about BHP ... so far IMHO BHP sits in between shell super and V-power ... i'm very satisfied with BHP tho V-power is still d best

 

[turbology]

I dont' see how V-power being "the best" since Octane rating is the same.

For 0.45 more, I will just mix myself

 

[B33mEr]

lol ... mix with what???

 

[Hellraiser]

used cooking oil....

 

[MSport]

dude the shell "super" is also in red colour right? wat is the price? ehhh u sure the super is same v-power?

Super is green lah!

 

[E46Fanatic]

Actually the higher compression your engine is, or forced induced, you'll benefit from better higher octane fuels. Wont make much a difference on std engines.

Check out 5th Gear's Review on BHP, Shell and normal fuels

The N52 325i compression ratio is 11:1, which is JDM type R category. You'll hear the engine pinging away like in my case (although got knock sensor) on normal fuel under low RPM load. For my case I've sinced changed from normal shell green to v-power and the pings are virtually gone.

Torque also feels a lot stronger.

 

[B33mEr]

Actually the higher compression your engine is, or forced induced, you'll benefit from better higher octane fuels. Wont make much a difference on std engines.

Check out 5th Gear's Review on BHP, Shell and normal fuels

The N52 325i compression ratio is 11:1, which is JDM type R category. You'll hear the engine pinging away like in my case (although got knock sensor) on normal fuel under low RPM load. For my case I've sinced changed from normal shell green to v-power and the pings are virtually gone.

Torque also feels a lot stronger.

hehehe ... so i am correct then according to fifth gear website Vpower manage 249 hp and BHP manage 248hp and normal fuel manage 232hp ... :top:

 

[turbology]

Actually the higher compression your engine is, or forced induced, you'll benefit from better higher octane fuels. Wont make much a difference on std engines.

Unfortunately, not exactly true. Is not just "higher compresison need higher octane". It depend how the car is tune to run on what gasoline. Some engine that is 9.x:1 compression require RON97 or higher.

Your link to your 5th review on fuels is also misleading.
Shell V-power octane rating vary from RON95 to RON100 throughout the world.
I assume the reviews was done in UK. UK's V-power has rating of RON99
Link: http://www.shell.co.uk/home/content...s/on_the_road/fuels/v_power_pkg/overview.html
Lnk2: http://www.shell.com/home/content/gbr/products_services/on_the_road/fuels/v_power_pkg/tech_spec.html

And sadly, Malaysia V-power is still RON97.

BP has no affiliation with BHP. Both is different company. BP sold thier business to BHP (Boustead Holdings) in 2006
Is the fuel the same ? I am not sure. Many said BHP claimed is not. But what I know is, the fuel definately different from the one in UK

Cheers

 

[wc9922]

The performance of a gasoline blend is not just hinged on the RON alone (research octane number).

The RON number only indicates the fuel performance under predetermined load test prescribed under ASTM 2699 testing method requirements. RON number usually gives an indicator of the fuels characteristic under constant load conditions in 4 stroke engines, i.e simulating cruize or low load conditions.

Another fuel performance indicator is called MON ( motor octane number) prescribed under ASTM 2700 test testing requirements. MON test are involves more severe varying load test conditions giving an indication of the fuels performance characteristics under severe load conditions.

The higher the numbers for MON or RON just means the fuel have a higher knock resistance capability for the control test conditions benchmarked to pure components. Usually MON numbers are lower than RON numbers.

What is important is the average of the fuels RON and MON numbers which give u another term called OCTANE NUMBER = [RON+MON]/2. But they never tell u the Octane Number of the fuel, do they? Nor do they tell you the MON.

So in the case of V-power, It may still have l have the same RON of 97 as the ' Super' but it may have a MON rating higher than Super so overall u get a higher OCTANE NUMBER rating. That is why with V-power u may sense u do get the performance as well as some fuel economy on the side. But this is only apperent on cars that run under closed loop ECU control.

Gasoline specs are very complex/secret also as the composition (% by volume) of gasoline are consist of many HC compounds such as oxygenates, paraffins, reformate, isomerates, aromatics, olefins and benzenes.These does not includes the additives. U change something u change the RON and MON as well as other thinngs like vapor pressure etc.

But generally have to fall within a certain range of ASTM test values to be classified as UL92 or UL97 grade for the market.

I can tell u the gasoline base stock for V-Power and Shell Super is different. Shell Super grade is refined in Port Dickson refinery while the V-power base gasoline is imported from Shell Singapore Bukom refinery. Shell PD's refining operating mode/process technology is not able to produce a final mogas blend that matches V-power's base composition requirements at present.

The additive package for Super and V-power are different as well. This is normally injected at the truck loading area of the refinery before heading out to the petrol stations.

So I hope this would enlighten you guys to why V-power cost 50sen more than Super while u think the RON number is the same.