Decided to try the Pilot Sport 3 - PS3s

[E46Fanatic]

I got tomyam PS3 now on the front and french PS2 on the rear...while the wet grip are superb on the ps3 but on dry the car just couldn't find the grip on the front end...furthermore the ps3 is abit nervous at speed in excess of 230kmh...

Interesting.. How long have u had the PS3's on the car btw? Maybe its not fully bedded in yet.

 

[t2ribena]

Interesting.. How long have u had the PS3's on the car btw? Maybe its not fully bedded in yet.

FJ...initially i tot also due to longer bedding-in period but now already almost 3000km and still it behaves the same...as the PS2 wears down the grips are getting better and this is a problem that now i have loose fronts...

 

[E46Fanatic]

FJ...initially i tot also due to longer bedding-in period but now already almost 3000km and still it behaves the same...as the PS2 wears down the grips are getting better and this is a problem that now i have loose fronts...

Does it happen only when cold or even when the tyre is nicely heated up Fter some sprited driving. My experience has been different with the Ps2. While it remains fairly consistent as it wears I find the braking distance deteriorating most even in dry. With the fresh PS3 the brakes feel meaty again and pulls the car back harder. I found that the ps3 is best when warmed up. Ps2 not as much different from cold start to normal warmed up temps.

 

[Spaceman]

bought mine PS2 235/35/19 for $1150 each and 265/30/19 for $1350 each. That was 5 months ago.

This is what i paid for mine 2 yrs ago!

 

[Schwepps]

Does it happen only when cold or even when the tyre is nicely heated up Fter some sprited driving. My experience has been different with the Ps2. While it remains fairly consistent as it wears I find the braking distance deteriorating most even in dry. With the fresh PS3 the brakes feel meaty again and pulls the car back harder. I found that the ps3 is best when warmed up. Ps2 not as much different from cold start to normal warmed up temps.

Yours tomyam or french onion PS3s, E46F? I've always felt that ori French Michelins are a cut above the rest.

 

[astroboy]

So T2 should feed his 518 with French food.. Tomyam not so suitable for the Euro pedigree..

 

[etquah]

Tom Yam PS3 is too spicy. Maybe the east & west cannot synchronize

 

[t2ribena]

Does it happen only when cold or even when the tyre is nicely heated up Fter some sprited driving. My experience has been different with the Ps2. While it remains fairly consistent as it wears I find the braking distance deteriorating most even in dry. With the fresh PS3 the brakes feel meaty again and pulls the car back harder. I found that the ps3 is best when warmed up. Ps2 not as much different from cold start to normal warmed up temps.

cold or warm up or hot or super hot also same...does not command that kind of high speed grip that ps2 has...

in excess of 200kmh and zig zagging will definately shrink your balls with ps3...tried and tested 3 times liau over long distance travel...the last one was last night....now recovering from BSS (Ball Shrinking Syndrome)...pheww...

 

[pussy]

T2, check the tyre rating.. i was told it has to be matching.. what i mean is the speed and load index.. Y, Z or W and the load 92w or others..
cos i had the same problem with my e32 also, if the load index is low, the car will have inconsistent of travel direction above high speeds..mean tyre can't cope up the stress upfront..
suggest to change, cos very dangerous..

cheers...

 

[astroboy]

Your e32 so heavy meh? Bullet proof ka?

My Avanza is running 185/70R14 88H or 88S, so capable of 560kg of load per tyre with speed rating 180kph(S), 210kph(H). 560kg x 4 = 2.24 metric ton, so my kerb weight is slightly over a ton, I can still carry 1 ton of load

My PS3 is 225/45R17 ZR 91W, so its the old code ZR is capable of >240kph, 91 is up to 615kg per wheel, W is up to 270kph.

615kg x 4 = 2.46 metric ton !! T2, how heavy is yours.. Dun forget to factor in the road impact the tyre has to suffer when slamming into wavy roads at 280kph.. My Avanza frequent airborne need to measure how high it leap ka?

Speed index:

Load index:

 

[Schwepps]

Having different tyres on each axle is never a fully balanced situation and while okay for normal driving and speeds, I definitely wouldn't go 200kmh or zigzagging.

That would be almost as bad/crazy as weaving and going airborne with an Avanza.

 

[pussy]

AB... very very these days la.. hehehe..

 

[bimmerdude]

i couldnt find the PS3 on the tire price list...
which shop is the cheeeepest to buy from arr

 

[t2ribena]

Having different tyres on each axle is never a fully balanced situation and while okay for normal driving and speeds, I definitely wouldn't go 200kmh or zigzagging.

That would be almost as bad/crazy as weaving and going airborne with an Avanza.

having the same tyres on both axle with different wear rate is also a non balanced conditioned...having staggered setup (diff size) is also not a balanced condition...the interest is on the factors that could contribute to the inbalance...by just saying that diff tyres so not balanced is just too general a statement...

since you brought up the inbalanced condition, care to expain further? what are the factors that causes inbalance?

 

[Schwepps]

I read it a long time ago, so I can't remember exactly. I think it had something to do with different threads and compounds giving different grip levels under certain conditions/speeds. So if one axle has one grip level and the other has another grip level, it unbalances the handling. At normal speeds it shouldn't matter, but at 200kmh it's a bit of a gamble isn't it? A staggered setup with the same tyres on all 4 wheels wouldn't have the same issue.

 

[astroboy]

My Avanza is by default built to be understeer, just like all FWD and average RWD cars in the market. I hate the feeling of understeer as there nothing much you can do except releasing gas pedal. On the other hand, if oversteer, u get do try out counter steer, fish tail, the sensitivity of your spin, seating position, steering holding position, all matters. Very technical to be exact and I love experiment with it all the time.

For the same reason, I run different combination to test the tyre's wet and dry grip. I can set the car up to oversteer in the wet or on dry. Yes, agree with T2, it depends on the thread balance even though same make and thread pattern.

I have ran 50% front and botak rear of the same kind, can still fly 120kph in heavy down pour, in the straights la... switch them with botak front, 50% rear, great oversteer in the dry but nightmare to drive in the wet, aquaplan all over..

Through time, our rear wear faster than the front, so as your rear wear, your dry traction at the rear improve and wet traction suffers. Rotating tyre is not possible with staggered set up, but even like us non staggered, we try not to rotate because the tarmac contact surface need to re-bedding in once the tyre is rotated to a new spot due to the slight difference in camber degree. More so between our front and rear. Our front and rear camber variance is almost 1 degree. After rotation, the feel of the car sucks.. u won't have the confidence to exceed 200kph for sure.

Understand your traction limit is very important, for different tyres, for different wear percentage. That's why I skid and slide when possible..

The most popular public awareness writeup or video clip was the one that teaches the public to put better thread or new tyres at the rear while keeping the lesser thread tyre at the front. I hate this concept as it doesn't work for me. I do exactly the opposite.

 

[pussy]

my feel... the front got to have more thread thickness than the rear... if the front loose grip, have fun wheering into a tree or on coming traffic...

 

[astroboy]

my feel... the front got to have more thread thickness than the rear... if the front loose grip, have fun wheering into a tree or on coming traffic...

Thank your for your vote! :top:

My fear is always tyre pecah, rear pecah is always better than front pecah..

With modern car technology, oversteer can quite easily be rectify by the DSC while hydroplanning at the front, DSC buat tak kau and u on your own! My effort is to minimise hydroplanning at the front.

 

[miepower]

my feel... the front got to have more thread thickness than the rear... if the front loose grip, have fun wheering into a tree or on coming traffic...

pussy ...pussy.... tell me who'll have fun wheering into a tree? Only Tarzan and Jane i guess

 

[andrewlim8]

my feel... the front got to have more thread thickness than the rear... if the front loose grip, have fun wheering into a tree or on coming traffic...

nop, if the front started to loose grip, u can feel from the steering wheel, n ccan be ontrolled at the same time, whereas if the rear loose grip, u will have fish tail which is hard to be amended.