BMW E60 New Pricing

[ALBundy]

The detuning is more for marketing purposes I believe.

As for the mechanicals, for the E39...the 523i and 525i had different cams, other than the different ECU software.

 

[Stranger]

I have no wish to "fight" with you the necessary cause it's very clear who the aggressor is.
If I may say so, where are your hard facts then? Just to use your own words. What I know or what I don't know, you will never know cause you don't even know me.

I would not lower myself to your level and start fighting. Like I said, it is not the most important thing to me. Maybe making $ is.

 

[The Necessary]

Originally posted by Stranger@Apr 9 2006, 10:02 PM
I have no wish to "fight" with you the necessary cause it's very clear who the aggressor is.
If I may say so, where are your hard facts then? Just to use your own words. What I know or what I don't know, you will never know cause you don't even know me.

I would not lower myself to your level and start fighting. Like I said, it is not the most important thing to me. Maybe making $ is.

Fight? What fight? How to "fight" or "argue" when there's nothing to argue about? I'm right, and you're wrong. Easy, simple. Next time, don't start something you can't back up or finish. That's my level.

I wasn't being the aggressor; you just have a very big, very fragile and highly over sensitive ego, my dear friend, and all over something which is "not important" to you. I shrudder at the thought of how'd you react when you're passionate. Eeeks.

If you want to know the facts, go look inside a 523 and 525. Else your sense of "logic" will never be convinced by little 'ole me anyways.

Oh and if you can't find or spare the time to, it does make sense to go make more "$", you'll need it if you wanna go get that 525.

 

[leakwoon]

**pass one teh ohh ais to Bro Stranger & Bro The Necessary **


CHILL !!

 

[Pee Knees]

Originally posted by Pee Knees@Apr 10 2006, 02:49 AM
will they ever do a M5 Diesel?


oh and how much would a E60 M5 cost without A.P?
almost 500k? how do they really calculate it? japan cars/ euro cars?
its a bit confusing

 

[E46Fanatic]

Originally posted by The Necessary@Apr 9 2006, 10:11 PM
make sense to go make more "$", you'll need it if you wanna go get that 525.

Ahh conflicts are so interesting to read on the forum . My research indicates that Necc spends more time surfing on the Net than Stranger who is busy making $$$. So Necc is prob right

Seriously tho, I tot the intake manifold and the cam lift profiles (besides the engine mapping) differs between the N52B23 and N52B25?

 

[Stranger]

Originally posted by E46Fanatic@Apr 10 2006, 11:54 PM

Ahh conflicts are so interesting to read on the forum . My research indicates that Necc spends more time surfing on the Net than Stranger who is busy making $$$. So Necc is prob right

Seriously tho, I tot the intake manifold and the cam lift profiles (besides the engine mapping) differs between the N52B23 and N52B25?

Even for a 318 or Proton, one needs to make $ to get it unless it's the grandfather's money.

Regarding the intake part, that's what I read, and could trace to part # difference between the 2 engines. And yes, before any one else gets excited again, it could well be just # difference but the same part.

 

[Randy]

Hi,

Sad to say that the 523 and 525 actually is very similar. The 523 is a detuned of a 525i plus bits and pieces here and there.

A 523 can be retuned and make it perform like a 525i. Sad to say that many owners find this ridiculous or dont understand the reasons for this.

It is not just because BMW wants to make money.

In Europe the cars are taxed on band with the engine size and hp.

For eg the e38 728 i has a mainfold which is restricted to max of 192hp
You can upgrade this using a standard e34's mainfold to get 215. The reson for this is to stay within the baracket for insurance.

The engine size of the cars in Europe are mostly detrmined based on taxes and insurance policies rather than the performance.

There is series of articles on this and will attach them later.

 

[Stranger]

Originally posted by Randy@Apr 11 2006, 02:58 PM
Hi,

Sad to say that the 523 and 525 actually is very similar. The 523 is a detuned of a 525i plus bits and pieces here and there.

A 523 can be retuned and make it perform like a 525i. Sad to say that many owners find this ridiculous or dont understand the reasons for this.

It is not just because BMW wants to make money.

In Europe the cars are taxed on band with the engine size and hp.

For eg the e38 728 i has a mainfold which is restricted to max of 192hp
You can upgrade this using a standard e34's mainfold to get 215. The reson for this is to stay within the baracket for insurance.

The engine size of the cars in Europe are mostly detrmined based on taxes and insurance policies rather than the performance.

There is series of articles on this and will attach them later.

So, to make it perform just like 525, there will be hardware changes needed? That was my point.

Has any managed to remap the 523i code yet? I know a source who has been trying but as of 2 weeks ago, he still has not got the remap for the 523i but has the remap for other models.

 

[The Necessary]

Has your source tried the more established UK chip flashers/tuners like Superchips and AMD technik?

 

[Stranger]

Originally posted by The Necessary@Apr 11 2006, 05:15 PM
Has your source tried the more established UK chip flashers/tuners like Superchips and AMD technik?

He is a UK tuner but I can't remember the company's name.

 

[E46Fanatic]

SOunds like a great opportunity to makesome $$$. Once you find out how to get the 523i 's N52B23 perform exactly like the N52B25 in terms of performance, you could throw an AD out there to lure E60 523i owners in for the upgrade which should cost much less than the price diff between the 523i and 525i. Also currently the best selling range of the E60 is... the 523i, so your target market should be promising

 

[830]

seriously big money lor! :yes:


become agent also can make money leh

 

[nsunder]

AUDI
A4 1.8T Cabrio - RM120,420
A4 1.8T Multitronic - RM102,706
A4 2.0 Avant - RM102,054
A4 2.0L - RM86,454
A4 2.0TFSI - RM107,040
A4 2.0TFSI Quattro - RM113,828
A6 2.4L - RM121,032
A6 3.0L - RM121,860
A6 3.0 Quattro Tiptronic - RM156,100
A8 3.0L - RM121,860
A8 4.2 Quattro Tiptronic - RM184,686
TT 1.8T - RM85,105


BMW CIF Price
116i - RM68,941
118i - RM76,588
120i - RM83,834
318Ci Cabrio - RM103,050
320i - RM91,545
325i - RM106,629
330i - RM121,614
520i - RM111,000
530d - RM169,432
530i - RM168,315
645Ci Sedan - RM220,079
730i - RM175,801
745i - RM269,075
M5 Saloon - RM239,125
Z4 2.5i - RM150,728
Z4 3.0(Roadster) - RM135,482


Before you start thinking cheap, below is the list of duties (Excise, Sales & Import) for passenger cars payable effective March 2006. Which means, plus the duties is the cost of car nett without distributor mark up yet;

>1,800 - Total Duties 150.25%
>1,800 - 2,000 - 2,500 - 3,000 - Total Duties 221.75%

So, an example would be the AUDI A4 B7 2.0TFSI at CIF is RM 107,040 + Total Duties (157.40%) of RM 168,480.96 would mean the car nett at CIF would be RM275,520.96

By the time the mark up comes in would be around RM300,000 to RM310,000, assuming about RM30,000-RM40,000 mark up.

The worse hit would be the Audi TT 1.8T as at 2006 prices, it's only RM85,105. Even with duties of RM 127,870.26, total CIF would only be RM212,975.26. EM sells theirs at RM290,000+. Man, that's almost RM100,000 mark up!!!

 

[Stranger]

Originally posted by E46Fanatic@Apr 12 2006, 09:25 AM
SOunds like a great opportunity to makesome $$$. Once you find out how to get the 523i 's N52B23 perform exactly like the N52B25 in terms of performance, you could throw an AD out there to lure E60 523i owners in for the upgrade which should cost much less than the price diff between the 523i and 525i. Also currently the best selling range of the E60 is... the 523i, so your target market should be promising

Well, the question how many will want to risk having their warranty void?
NA is not friendly to software tuning, unlike turbo. So per $ increase not so attractive. But this 523i is a restricted 2.5L; that's why it may have higher potential of better $/bhp ratio.

But knowledge not enough to go into this business.

 

[ace99]

aiyo, why want so much power..

520 or 523 or 525, all can cruise well enough to me..

 

[Stranger]

Good question. But there are many power junkies out there ... Me? nop; slow coach, yes.

 

[ace99]

Power Junkies are better off to

get the M5 E39, there is 1 parking in Federal Highway Showroom for long time already.

Price is at E60 530i range.

 

[E46Fanatic]

Originally posted by Stranger@Apr 12 2006, 09:48 PM
Well, the question how many will want to risk having their warranty void?
NA is not friendly to software tuning, unlike turbo. So per $ increase not so attractive. But this 523i is a restricted 2.5L; that's why it may have higher potential of better $/bhp ratio.

But knowledge not enough to go into this business.

I think if the upgrade of the 523i is based on identical engine mapping and parts (if required) as the 525i, the comfort level will be higher with 523i owners.

So far no one knows the effort and cost to bring the N52B23 up to spec to become the N52B25 yet. If its not too extreme e.g. 5-10k I think there will be takers for the lure of additional revs, torque and peak HP per original BMW specs for that price range.