Why our cost so much?

[astroboy]

We are taking a 9 year loan to fund the AP holder‘s Ferrari.. really biggest soh@is.. who‘s brilliant idea was that? How can we allow it?

 

[tweiboon]

Many ppl claimed that using electric cal is not as efficient as petrol car. This is true, and because of this they keeps on defended our government not to use electric car.
And they also claimed that not electric station for us to charge the car. If we buy the car then where we need to charge ? This is super big excuse. Government not let u to use electric car sure u dont have electric station to charge the car. Try to think another way round. If our government not let u to use petrol car and dont have petrol station then where u pump the petrol ?

Another funny thing is, government claimed that will not build the electric station for us to charge the car. By this reason not letting us to use electric car, do u think this is stupid ? Did i say i must want government to build the electric station to charge the car ? I cannot charge the car myself ?

Alot of Malaysian using their vehicle less than 100 km daily. These group of ppl very suitable to use fully electric car. Due to the traffic jam in Selangor and Kuala Lumpur, electric car is the perfect choice. Our government also claimed that must safe our land and make our environment clean. Another question will comes out. Using petrol will be more environment safer than using electric car ?

Another question again. Fully electric car is lower maintenance than petrol engine car. Our government wanted us to pay more rather than help us to cut down daily expenses.

Another super funny thing is, our government wanted to be a development country. Fully electric car is our future car meaning we must change our technology. With the fact above, do u think that our government wanted to enter to new era technology ? Only new technology will make the cost lower and make the production faster.

Simply we can say our car cost became that high is been forced to pay.

 

[haywire]

Tweiboon,

Even the developed country are not ready yet to fully utilise electric cars. How do you think Malaysia is ready for this? There are many barriers that needs to be addressed before the technology is ready for realistic daily use.

With the current technology, if you ran out of battery in the middle of the day, you would need to charge the car for roughly 8 hours, this is not practical. Even if there are charging stations, would you leave it there for 8 hours?

All practical points aside, I would't trade my I6 M54 for a silent electric engine.

 

[tweiboon]

Tweiboon,

Even the developed country are not ready yet to fully utilise electric cars. How do you think Malaysia is ready for this? There are many barriers that needs to be addressed before the technology is ready for realistic daily use.

With the current technology, if you ran out of battery in the middle of the day, you would need to charge the car for roughly 8 hours, this is not practical. Even if there are charging stations, would you leave it there for 8 hours?

All practical points aside, I would't trade my I6 M54 for a silent electric engine.

U dont know fully electric cal can charge 80% in 15 minutes ?

(With the current technology, if you ran out of battery in the middle of the day) this is truely not an excuse. (With the current technology, if you ran out of petrol in the middle of the day and u are far from petrol station) then how u solve it ? If really need to use electric car to travel long abit distance prepare gen set lah brother..............hahahahahahaha

To modify home charge voltage to fully charge electric car in 30 minutes is only need 1 day. If want to add electric charge station in every petrol station do u think is very long time ?

As i mentioned before, if government just only let know us to use fully electric car and that is enuf. No need to build recharge station. And as i mentioned too many ppl using vehicle for daily drive less than 100km. Government not letting us to use fully electric car i am sure is only 1 reason behind.

Can u imagine that we can use this electric car -->http://www.commutercars.com/
We are not only facing petrol problem. We also facing government problem. And we also facing traffic jam and environment problem.
Using this fully electric car, environment friendly, might solve traffic jam, reduce our daily expenses and reduce maintenance cost. The most important thing is reduce our money flows to other countries !!!!!!!!!!!! in other way is saving our Economy as well !!!!!!!!!

 

[tweiboon]

Tweiboon,

Even the developed country are not ready yet to fully utilise electric cars. How do you think Malaysia is ready for this? There are many barriers that needs to be addressed before the technology is ready for realistic daily use.

With the current technology, if you ran out of battery in the middle of the day, you would need to charge the car for roughly 8 hours, this is not practical. Even if there are charging stations, would you leave it there for 8 hours?

All practical points aside, I would't trade my I6 M54 for a silent electric engine.

U dont forget that if fully electric car not able to use in Malaysia is meaning that BMW i8 and i3 also da bao in Malaysia!!!!!!

If u keep on thinking Malaysia should be like this and facing alot of barriers as the excuses then Malaysia will be ALWAYS MALAYSIA BOLEH. Always thinking like this will not make things change. And that is y Proton car slow developed which using very old technology. We are the only country manufacture car using carburator until year 2000. MALAYSIA REALLY BOLEH !!!!!!!!!

 

[Iylia H]

U dont know fully electric cal can charge 80% in 15 minutes ?

(With the current technology, if you ran out of battery in the middle of the day) this is truely not an excuse. (With the current technology, if you ran out of petrol in the middle of the day and u are far from petrol station) then how u solve it ? If really need to use electric car to travel long abit distance prepare gen set lah brother..............hahahahahahaha

To modify home charge voltage to fully charge electric car in 30 minutes is only need 1 day. If want to add electric charge station in every petrol station do u think is very long time ?

As i mentioned before, if government just only let know us to use fully electric car and that is enuf. No need to build recharge station. And as i mentioned too many ppl using vehicle for daily drive less than 100km. Government not letting us to use fully electric car i am sure is only 1 reason behind.

Can u imagine that we can use this electric car -->http://www.commutercars.com/
We are not only facing petrol problem. We also facing government problem. And we also facing traffic jam and environment problem.
Using this fully electric car, environment friendly, might solve traffic jam, reduce our daily expenses and reduce maintenance cost. The most important thing is reduce our money flows to other countries !!!!!!!!!!!! in other way is saving our Economy as well !!!!!!!!!

You're talking as if Malaysia has its petrol station somewhat 1000miles away... If you run out of petrol, get a big empty bottle, buy petrol, walk back to your car or get a taxi, and fill your car back... If your electric car runs out of electric in the same situation like a petrol driven car, do u know how much a lithium ion battery pack cost? you can't deny the fact that current EVs has limited range. And imagine the long queue just to wait for a car to charge 80% of battery life as you claim would make.

As for me I think hydrogen vehicles are the way forward. I think this is the way forward in terms of cheap and limitless fuel alternative. Hydrogen is unlimited. You can forever make hydrogen from water. At the end of the combustion process, it only creates water vapor which is not polluting. The only problem car manufacturers are facing now, how not to make it explode in fire. I bet they can.

 

[tweiboon]

You're talking as if Malaysia has its petrol station somewhat 1000miles away... If you run out of petrol, get a big empty bottle, buy petrol, walk back to your car or get a taxi, and fill your car back... If your electric car runs out of electric in the same situation like a petrol driven car, do u know how much a lithium ion battery pack cost? you can't deny the fact that current EVs has limited range. And imagine the long queue just to wait for a car to charge 80% of battery life as you claim would make.

As for me I think hydrogen vehicles are the way forward. I think this is the way forward in terms of cheap and limitless fuel alternative. Hydrogen is unlimited. You can forever make hydrogen from water. At the end of the combustion process, it only creates water vapor which is not polluting. The only problem car manufacturers are facing now, how not to make it explode in fire. I bet they can.

Big car battery will cost u more than RM10k. Small car like Tango might cost u around RM5k to RM6k. If ur engine fully dead. Do u think ur engine will cost u less than RM10K ?

It is true that Q up to charge might has problem. That is y other country not only has charge station in petrol station. They have car park charge station as well. This car park charge station has been take into consideration before by our government but dont know y after that no more news

Do u know that there is some places in Selangor to Negeri Sembilan which no telecommunication signal and the petrol station will be more than 10miles. Dont talk about 1000miles, 10miles enough u to die or not ?

U keep defended to use petrol engine car and keep on said electric car facing alot of problems. BMW already has i8 and i3 meaning we are half way to electric car. Time will force u to change. More and more brands produced electric car. But car with using hydrogen until today still not yet to max production level.

And 1 more thing, if u think that u want to use electric car then just forget lah............. i didnt say want to stop engine petrol engine car. I want our government to let us to use electric car. Did i say stop to use all petrol car ?

Hydrogen car actually is my first choice. But i know that all countries will not allow u to use it. The reason is u can produce the energy by urself. No economy flows back to government. That is y for sure will not let u to use hydrogen car.

 

[tIANcI]

I am into EP for some stuff. Cars in EP form have a long way to go. It will be extremely hard because battery energy density is not that high and if you go with lipos its expensive and dangerous. LiFo is still expensive ... Then how do those who live in condos charge their cars?

Fact also is fast charging at 10c rates or 20c will shorten battery life. Battery lasts long when charged at 1c or 2c rates.

 

[tweiboon]

I am into EP for some stuff. Cars in EP form have a long way to go. It will be extremely hard because battery energy density is not that high and if you go with lipos its expensive and dangerous. LiFo is still expensive ... Then how do those who live in condos charge their cars?

Fact also is fast charging at 10c rates or 20c will shorten battery life. Battery lasts long when charged at 1c or 2c rates.

Condo is very easy to settle the charging issue. As i mentioned car park charging will be take place then can solve the problem. Battery issue have to face. Currently is facing RM10k for a battery. When really max production, i am sure it will be cheaper alot. At that moment change battery in 5 years i think is not a problem.

For this moment, alot of ppl still not able to use electric due to staying in condo. But still got alot of ppl staying in Terace house. Y not let those staying in Tarace house to use electric car ?

 

[Chrix]

...wait.. electric power.. hydrogen fuel.. ugh.. boring motoring future ahead.

Guess when we look up the kiwi bird, petroleum or motoring enthusiast in the future dictionary.. it'd be all under bor·ing/ˈbôriNG/ :21:

/off-topic

 

[haywire]

...wait.. electric power.. hydrogen fuel.. ugh.. boring motoring future ahead.

Guess when we look up the kiwi bird, petroleum or motoring enthusiast in the future dictionary.. it'd be all under bor·ing/ˈbôriNG/ :21:

Yeah...I6 NA all the way...












....wait....thats history too!

 

[beemerback]

I suppose what tweiboon is seeking is to be given a choice. Options to use any modern technology that is available to power the vehicle of his choice. And our government should be able to support the choices of malaysian motorists and at the same time keeping up with technology.

The government should take this opportunity to get ahead from her neighbours in motoring..imagine the first country in south east asia to support electric, hydrogen, gas or what other powering fuels. It only a matter of sorting out pricing and payments systems to implement. But off course it will not be possible, as always.

Because we have too many parties and their interests to take care. If we are thinking of an electric charging system around every corner like 7-11, we can forget about it for some time. A long time. Semuanya ok.....

 

[Iylia H]

Big car battery will cost u more than RM10k. Small car like Tango might cost u around RM5k to RM6k. If ur engine fully dead. Do u think ur engine will cost u less than RM10K ?

It is true that Q up to charge might has problem. That is y other country not only has charge station in petrol station. They have car park charge station as well. This car park charge station has been take into consideration before by our government but dont know y after that no more news

Do u know that there is some places in Selangor to Negeri Sembilan which no telecommunication signal and the petrol station will be more than 10miles. Dont talk about 1000miles, 10miles enough u to die or not ?

U keep defended to use petrol engine car and keep on said electric car facing alot of problems. BMW already has i8 and i3 meaning we are half way to electric car. Time will force u to change. More and more brands produced electric car. But car with using hydrogen until today still not yet to max production level.

And 1 more thing, if u think that u want to use electric car then just forget lah............. i didnt say want to stop engine petrol engine car. I want our government to let us to use electric car. Did i say stop to use all petrol car ?

Hydrogen car actually is my first choice. But i know that all countries will not allow u to use it. The reason is u can produce the energy by urself. No economy flows back to government. That is y for sure will not let u to use hydrogen car.

1. I didn't say anything about a 'kong' engine. I only question if it runs out of petrol the consequence will be as such. and if an EV runs out of battery while driving in the middle of nowhere, how are u to charge the battery pack while your car is stranded in the middle of nowhere. Even if the petrol station in between selangor and negeri sembilan is 10 miles away, enough to make you die, you can still get petrol. Say in the future you're stuck in a situation like this, you best bet is a tow truck. Now how much would that cost just for a little problem of the EV not having enough juice to reach the nearest charging point.

2. And as u mentioned it cost RM5-10k just for the battery pack is almost equivalent to swapping to a petrol engine. Then, what's the cost if both engine and Battery pack dies? And I will ask you this question back, will it still cost you less than RM10K?

3. Hydrogen for vehicles is not something that you can produce in your backyard. You need a large strong tank to store the liquified hydrogen which is under high preasure. And the process to compress the hydrogen gas to liquid is not something a backyard ordinary joe could do. On that point, I believe we still need company like petronas to offer us that service. I don't see any disruption of economy flow.

4. Most people use EV thinking that it will save the environment. But the process of making one lithium ion pack is much more detrimental to the environment than a normal petrol engine to be constructed and to be run in its life time. Furthermore with all those anti rare-earth mining protest, which is the source of EV battery. And the bulk of electrics are not produced through ecological way, it is either by coal powered generator as in malaysia, or nuclear powered. Hydro-dams and windmill doesn't give you that much output. coupled with the loss of energy of transferring electrics through hundreds of kilometers of wires.

5. I'm not discrediting EV cars entirely. I just think, it shouldn't be brought into the country in a haste. It is nowhere near the benchmark of a fully petrol car yet. Nor it is near the benchmark of a hybrid, let alone a diesel. Even if BMW currently has these concept EV cars and with all the hype about it, they're not even out yet. Bet they gave the same reason as I did. The biggest anchor to EV cars is the lack of range and charging time. If these factors could be tamed, I see no problem with EV cars.

 

[louiswaw]

I still remembered the salesman told me my AP was nearly 80k 2 yrs ago when i bought my e60 jap spec.

 

[haywire]

I still remembered the salesman told me my AP was nearly 80k 2 yrs ago when i bought my e60 jap spec.

I think he meant AP + Import duty + Import tax.

I paid RM42k for my E39 Import tax + Duty in October 2010. Student AP.

 

[beemerback]

I paid RM42k for my E39 Import tax + Duty in October 2010. Student AP.

Still too much for a student Ap....

 

[Ecc0]

..much as EV sounds appealing, you really don't want it, at the end of the story..from the both standpoints, exact, every day use, as well as pollution issues..pollution is enormous and affecting literally every aspect of ecosystems..Nissan Leaf battery contain roughly 4 kg of lithium..its extremely dangerous for environment and recycling it, causing more damage to environment than production itself (horrid chemicals used to make it happen)..ill not go in to energy containing/charging discussion (energy should came from somewhere, right??), but put it on this way, once EV is capable to fit family in a vehicle, with their luggage, and give range with 500km with one charge, while during trip you do enjoying luxury such as music, aircondition, lights (night drive), Ill go for EV..every real world use comparison, proving that EV vs ICE is lost battle in favor of ICE..right direction is ICE with environment friendly fuel, as mentioned, it is H. Whole universe is powered by it, so do our nearest star, sun, so why should we go for something so wrong, such as EV ??

 

[kevin1982my]

The arguement that cars should be powered by hydrogen as hydrogen is the most abundant element is rather interesting.

We do have to keep in mind, although hydrogen is abundant on earth, but most if not all is stored in water. And keep in mind, water is not a fuel, its an ash. Its produced when you burn free H2 with O2. So in short, free hydrogen must be produced from water before it has any value as a fuel. I have drilled and steered many directional wells offshore, and none of them yields any free hydrogen.

There are a few ways to make hydrogen, requiring massive amount of energy. Electrolysis is a way to do it but it requires massive amount of electricity. There are some research on using GM modified bacteria/algae that can break down water into H2 via a modified version of photosynthesis.

This i believe is the best way forward as humanity is still highly dependent on fossil fuel as an energy source to power our lives. Hydrogen is never a source of energy as its not commonly found in its free form on earth. At this stage, its just a medium to store energy, which means that the energy that powers our car has to come from somewhere.

 

[kevin1982my]

Until fusion comes along, solar/geothermal/hydro/wind/wave energy is the most viable source of energy for mankind besides fossil fuels. However, there is a problem with those alternative sources of energy. The power density is very low. A small oil platform offshore can produce 10000-40000 barrels of oil per day. That has more than enough energy to power 30000 cars a day.

To produce the same energy as a small oil platform using solar cells, you need solar panels that could nearly cover the land area of petaling jaya. The same goes for wind energy and wave energy. Its not economical at all until crude hits >200 dollars/barrel. Don't forget, the same oil platform can produce crude day and night until the crude runs out while solar can only produce in the day, wind and wave can only produce when its windy.

Geothermal is a good source of energy, but its only available in certain areas such as Bacon-Manito area in Philippines. I know that area as i was there to drill some directional geothermal wells.

 

[anaksarawak]

Until fusion comes along, solar/geothermal/hydro/wind/wave energy is the most viable source of energy for mankind besides fossil fuels. However, there is a problem with those alternative sources of energy. The power density is very low. A small oil platform offshore can produce 10000-40000 barrels of oil per day. That has more than enough energy to power 30000 cars a day.

To produce the same energy as a small oil platform using solar cells, you need solar panels that could nearly cover the land area of petaling jaya. The same goes for wind energy and wave energy. Its not economical at all until crude hits >200 dollars/barrel. Don't forget, the same oil platform can produce crude day and night until the crude runs out while solar can only produce in the day, wind and wave can only produce when its windy.

Geothermal is a good source of energy, but its only available in certain areas such as Bacon-Manito area in Philippines. I know that area as i was there to drill some directional geothermal wells.

Any hope with hydro?