Why our cost so much?

[anaksarawak]

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[tweiboon]

That is only 1 reason our car cost so much, reason shown below
1. Thanks to our government

Proton is not national car anymore, why government still protect Proton ?

I dont care which country insurance is cheaper or road tax is cheaper. I just only care total cost expenses that need to pay for the new car.
I just only know Malaysia cars are super expensive compare with Asia countries.

Can you imagine that a new Porsche Cayenne turbo S is around RM450k in Cambodia. Imagine that road tax and insurance are more higher than Malaysia. RM450k add insurance and road tax in Cambodia do u think it will exist RM750k ?

In Malaysia a new Porsche Cayenne turbo S will cost atleast RM750k not including insurance and road tax.

 

[haywire]

Can you imagine that a new Porsche Cayenne turbo S is around RM450k in Cambodia. Imagine that road tax and insurance are more higher than Malaysia. RM450k add insurance and road tax in Cambodia do u think it will exist RM750k ?

In Malaysia a new Porsche Cayenne turbo S will cost atleast RM750k not including insurance and road tax.

Have you been to Cambodia? Everyone drive at 40kmh because petrol is so damn expensive over there.

Most people can't afford cars, most that do will buy a Camry (70% cars on the roads are Camry in my observation) and most people will only have bikes.

Petrol is $1.50 (RM4.60) per liter, and they sell it in 1L bottles on the roadside.

If you compare to Cambodia, I much prefer the expensive Malaysia

 

[anaksarawak]

Shall we all moved to DOHA?

Doha, Qatar
15p per litre (average) — Citizens have the 2nd highest incomes and the 7th lowest petrol in the world

 

[anaksarawak]

China as comparison

Analysis: Car price comparison between China and the rest of the world
By Carmen Lee From Gasgoo.comJuly 20, 2011
Gasgoo.com (Shanghai) - It is accepted as common knowledge that Chinese car prices are on the high side, but what is the truth like? Gasgoo.com (Chinese) has done a survey comparing the manufacturer's suggested retail prices for vehicles in China, the US, Japan and the UK.

Note: due to discrepancies between national taxes, and differences in configuration in different countries, this chart should only be used as a basic reference.
According to the results of vehicle prices in China, the US, Japan and the UK collected in the chart above, we can reach the following conclusions:
I. The prices of compact vehicles in China are not considered high in comparison with those in developed countries. In fact, there are a few models which are actually cheaper in China. The trends are related to low barrier to entry in the market and heated competition.
A large number of industry analysts has pointed out to the 87,000 yuan ($13,469) price tag on the GAC Toyota Yaris, which fits neatly in the subcompact class, as a key reason for its disappointing performance. Cars in the same segment, including the Chery QQ, Changan Ben Ben Mini, BYD F0 and Geely Panda, are priced around 30,000 yuan ($4,644) each.
However, when compared with other markets, the Yaris' price cannot be considered high at all. The Yaris is priced higher in the American and British markets, while its only about 4,000 yuan ($619.30) cheaper in Japan than in China. This demonstrates that Toyota still has some way to go in competing with models from local manufacturers..
The price of Changan Ford Mazda's Focus is also lower than in the US or UK, but still higher than its Japanese counterpart.
II. The prices of mid-level and luxury cars in the country is still much higher than in developed countries. We anticipate that this trend will continue for the near future.
For example, the price of Shanghai VW's new Passat is 218,800 yuan ($33,875) in China, higher than the 181,000 yuan ($28,023) charged in the US and the 196,900 yuan ($30,485) in the UK. Meanwhile, the Mercedes E-Class is about 150,000 yuan ($23,224) more expensive in China than in the US or the UK. There are three possible reasons for this:
1. Demand in the domestic market for this segment is strong, with no force to push prices down.
2. Despite the fact that there is a large number of manufacturers competing in the mid to upper level market, there are fewlocal players with a competitive advantage in production. With the ever increasing number of mid to upper level models brought over to China, such as the new VW Passat, Peugeot 508, the eighth generation Hyundai Sonata and Kia K5, we believe that this segment is only bound to become more competitive, which should help bring prices down slightly. The key point of competition for these manufacturers will lie in customer service and what features they offer.
3. The low rate of domestic auto parts used and limited domestic production among manufacturers in the segment is another reason for the very high prices. This is due to the low level of development in the Chinese auto part industry, as well as the lack of motivation from international enterprises.

 

[tIANcI]

Yes our Government taxes a lot on luxury cars and imported cars BUT let's not also forget that when we purchase a Conti we are also supporting the manufaturer/dealers with their lovely showrooms. Example ... Mini ... should it cost so much in Malaysia? Its not because of the Gov taxes only. BMW decided it should be a luxury item. There is more than meets the eye ok. I suspect the manufacturers are 'sharing' the lucrative income with the Gov. Sell higher price ... manufacturer makes more, Gov makes more.

Look at the Honda CRZ ... its RM115K when the Insight is only RM98K. CRZ was supposed to be RM125K but they decided to sell at RM115K. Why think of RM125K? Greedy la. Look at the E90 325 ... 310K but then when wanna dump can drop to a mere RM250K. Wow ... no profits ar? Got a lot laaaaa ... the list goes on and on. Basically, we are being screwed by those we rely upon to be fair. Gov is taxing us ... manufacturer is taxing us.

If we really feel that cars are too expensive, then just don't buy la. I mean we need to have priorities right? Since so expensive, drive something cheap and then can spend more on housing etc. When demand is low ... price will drop. But we still buy, then put up with the crappy quality and do really nothing about it. How la?

 

[Herbert]

If going to A to B and vice versa is your choice, then better buy a scooter and bear with the discomforts of rain, pollution, prone to accident etc etc. Scooter is cheap to maintain, no roadtax, good mileage, no traffic jam. Want to buy a car especially the conti type, then just bear with whatever prices your need to pay.

 

[tweiboon]

Have you been to Cambodia? Everyone drive at 40kmh because petrol is so damn expensive over there.

Most people can't afford cars, most that do will buy a Camry (70% cars on the roads are Camry in my observation) and most people will only have bikes.

Petrol is $1.50 (RM4.60) per liter, and they sell it in 1L bottles on the roadside.

If you compare to Cambodia, I much prefer the expensive Malaysia

I been Cambodia for few months. Yes, petrol is expensve. But if you compare the total petrol and the car cost over 10 years and if your car is high class car then Malaysia still will be very very very expensive. And in Cambodia is not paying road tax like Malaysia.

The car will pay higher abit road tax is for the car which dosent has number plate.

In Cambodia if you not driving out the car then can say almost no need to pay at all for big CC car like above 5000cc.

If in Malaysia u have 5000cc car then average u need to pay RM30 per day for road tax.

Although Combodia petrol is high..............due to the road tax, most of the cars in Cambodia are 2000cc and above. Most of the luxury cars are 4000cc above.

 

[tweiboon]

If going to A to B and vice versa is your choice, then better buy a scooter and bear with the discomforts of rain, pollution, prone to accident etc etc. Scooter is cheap to maintain, no roadtax, good mileage, no traffic jam. Want to buy a car especially the conti type, then just bear with whatever prices your need to pay.

That is y i riding motorbike now. My e39 is only for travel long distance.

 

[tweiboon]

Yes our Government taxes a lot on luxury cars and imported cars BUT let's not also forget that when we purchase a Conti we are also supporting the manufaturer/dealers with their lovely showrooms. Example ... Mini ... should it cost so much in Malaysia? Its not because of the Gov taxes only. BMW decided it should be a luxury item. There is more than meets the eye ok. I suspect the manufacturers are 'sharing' the lucrative income with the Gov. Sell higher price ... manufacturer makes more, Gov makes more.

Look at the Honda CRZ ... its RM115K when the Insight is only RM98K. CRZ was supposed to be RM125K but they decided to sell at RM115K. Why think of RM125K? Greedy la. Look at the E90 325 ... 310K but then when wanna dump can drop to a mere RM250K. Wow ... no profits ar? Got a lot laaaaa ... the list goes on and on. Basically, we are being screwed by those we rely upon to be fair. Gov is taxing us ... manufacturer is taxing us.

If we really feel that cars are too expensive, then just don't buy la. I mean we need to have priorities right? Since so expensive, drive something cheap and then can spend more on housing etc. When demand is low ... price will drop. But we still buy, then put up with the crappy quality and do really nothing about it. How la?

What u said is true. And that is y "Malaysia Boleh" term came out. Manufacturer for sure will earned from everywhere in this world. All ppl cant get away from this fact around this world. But do all ppl giving car tax like Malaysia in this World ? The answer is No.

For normal ppl, using 10 years petrol in Cambodia by having a car 5000cc is less than RM300k. But if your car is Cayenne, u are paying more than RM300k tax. Normally ppl will change car in 10 years. Imagine that you always change car in 10 years then how much you will pay ? And what if you change car less than 10 years ?

 

[tweiboon]

Forget 1 more thing.

In Malaysia, spare parts are very expensive for luxury cars as well. If u counting car cost, petrol and spare parts in 10 years compare with Cambodia i think u want to kill urself if u having a Porsche Cayenne. I am sure u will super love our government later..............hahahahahahahahaha

 

[MRsamdol]

It's duty not tax that is burdening us get rid of the duties and the AP system and most of us won't complain... There is a diff between duty and tax. We have duties and AP's in most things being imported as a protection to protect local industries and it is very important for all of us as if we have an open market, we would probably not be as advanced as nation. I wish for cheaper cars like most and hope they do away with import duties for car and have proton compete on a level playing field...

 

[smike]

The bottom line is, we are paying very high duty for our cars. Lets face it. After all the cars depreciate in price as the years go along. But the depreciation is so high, that the loss is unforgivable. Cars are not an asset and therefore i cant see why, we need to pay such high prices. Also road tax are ridiculous. I think the road tax should be calculated into the petrol. The more you use the more you pay. Anyway with the road tax, i don't see the benefits with so many port holes and uneven man holes that we encounter daily in our life plus the repairs to our shocks and alignment that we need to incur further. :cheers:

 

[JFT63]

I agree with 'rtax is calculated into the petrol. The more u use, the more u pay'. That sounds quite fair to me.

 

[tIANcI]

I would love a bike to run around but it always rains in KL ... that is why I did not get a bike. A bike is most practical in KL for running around. I ended up with a CRZ for my daily drive.

As for the AP issue ... sorry la ... PR takes over they need to recover the RM9B income in taxes and duties that may be lost with the removal of taxes and duties. They say can lelong off APs. If they lelong off the APs it will come back to about the same la. No difference. Why? Because Malaysians are bloody greedy and dealers will still reduce a slight bit only. Just like tweiboon says look at the cost of conti car spares. Its all BS la ... come on. We are funding their nice nice showrooms.

I was told by a car dealer who knows about spares. He says the spares for like say BMW is not that expensive compared to the price we pay for at the retail end la. If it were that high how do they use BMWs in Germany for taxis. Taxis drivers are high mileage users and they will be price sensitive. I am not saying its dirt cheap but we are getting ripped off by the manufacturers.

Then as smike says ... lousy roads = higher wear and tear. Bloody Gov can't even build decent roads. At the end of the day, the Rakyat is screwed over. It never changes.

 

[tweiboon]

The bottom line is, we are paying very high duty for our cars. Lets face it. After all the cars depreciate in price as the years go along. But the depreciation is so high, that the loss is unforgivable. Cars are not an asset and therefore i cant see why, we need to pay such high prices. Also road tax are ridiculous. I think the road tax should be calculated into the petrol. The more you use the more you pay. Anyway with the road tax, i don't see the benefits with so many port holes and uneven man holes that we encounter daily in our life plus the repairs to our shocks and alignment that we need to incur further. :cheers:

very very very very very very very good point !!!!!

 

[tweiboon]

I would love a bike to run around but it always rains in KL ... that is why I did not get a bike. A bike is most practical in KL for running around. I ended up with a CRZ for my daily drive.

As for the AP issue ... sorry la ... PR takes over they need to recover the RM9B income in taxes and duties that may be lost with the removal of taxes and duties. They say can lelong off APs. If they lelong off the APs it will come back to about the same la. No difference. Why? Because Malaysians are bloody greedy and dealers will still reduce a slight bit only. Just like tweiboon says look at the cost of conti car spares. Its all BS la ... come on. We are funding their nice nice showrooms.

I was told by a car dealer who knows about spares. He says the spares for like say BMW is not that expensive compared to the price we pay for at the retail end la. If it were that high how do they use BMWs in Germany for taxis. Taxis drivers are high mileage users and they will be price sensitive. I am not saying its dirt cheap but we are getting ripped off by the manufacturers.

Then as smike says ... lousy roads = higher wear and tear. Bloody Gov can't even build decent roads. At the end of the day, the Rakyat is screwed over. It never changes.

Wow what a damn good point !!!!! Bravo !!!!
BMW cars in German is like Proton cars. I like this...............hahahahahahahh

 

[MRsamdol]

yes! love this type of threads.... not being a smarty pants just clearing up somethings.

Duties is something levied by customs as a protection mechanism first and government revenue second but obviously abused in a way in this country. As someone has posted, wondering why spare parts is expensive is because bmw parts are not manufactured here or in Asean where together as a group impose tariff duties to protect regional industries. Except of course Singapore hence their free trade status.

AP is issued by MITI again as a local industry on top of the tariff duties as a protection tool but again somewhat abused that they go beyond it's initial definition. Things is difficult in a sense that because we produce cars it is again protected under these duties and AP's.

All personal wishes aside for cheaper cars... It will be a sad day if ever Proton fail as if you count from the CEO to the salesman to the OEM supplier it will affect a lot of people and the reason why it is not so clear cut how to handle the issue.

I guess a gradual reduction in duties is one step but AP's can be easily abolished as MITI has done it for sunset industries like tin for example. Tax levied on cars is somewhat fair and will never be abolished, in my lifetime at least....Anyway crossing fingers i want to buy cheaper cars too!

 

[tweiboon]

The most funny things are as below

1. Proton car is not a good quality car which selling expensive in Malaysia and selling cheap in other country. Sales not good in other country then forced Malaysian to buy Proton cars.
2. Our petroleum is fully export to other country and import low quality petroleum and forced Malaysian to use it. And government keeps on saying petrol subsidiary is very high.

Question ?
Why not export all Proton cars out to other countries then import other countries car which follow the foot step of petroleum ?
Government keep on saying petrol subsidiary very high, why not stop all the subsidiary and let us use fully electric car ?
I am sure alot of ppl using their car less than 200km per day which is very suitable to use fully electric car.

Am i bring out the good points ?

 

[tIANcI]

Proton is a pampered child. We been exporting Proton since the late 80's but .....