..Supercharger for Z4..

[Ecc0]

..im wondering how 'safe' is installation of supercharger, in terms of engine durability, and actual performance boost..I came across this supercharger for my Z and it does sound interesting, especially because no irreversible changes need to take place, whats good..also, question is, if this is OK to install, where in Malaysia i can eventually do that and be sure that its properly set/installed ?? Any experiences in this field around ?Linky :http://www.koperformance.com/BMW/turbo_superchargers/ESS/ess_e85_z4_2.5i_supercharger/ess_e85_z4_2.5i_supercharger.htm

 

[ssmann]

I see post the Awana drive, you r looking at staggered set up and superchargers!!! Preparing for Penang and Cherating I see.......

PM Maman, he has experience in all things supercharging and staggering for Z4

 

[Herbert]

..im wondering how 'safe' is installation of supercharger, in terms of engine durability, and actual performance boost..I came across this supercharger for my Z and it does sound interesting, especially because no irreversible changes need to take place, whats good..also, question is, if this is OK to install, where in Malaysia i can eventually do that and be sure that its properly set/installed ?? Any experiences in this field around ?

Linky :

http://www.koperformance.com/BMW/tu...supercharger/ess_e85_z4_2.5i_supercharger.htm

BM World has done quite a few ESS supercharger installations and you may want to contact them (Ah Wei). Is your Z4 engine M54 or N52?

 

[Ecc0]

hi Herbert.. Engine is M54..by the way, regarding BM World, is this correct adress/phone numbers/location :

Bm World Sdn Bhd

Business Type: Services Provider
No 7 Jalan 1/76, Desa Pandan,
Kuala Lumpur., W. Persekutuan Kuala Lumpur 55100


Tel: 03-92859477
Fax: 03-92833927

 

[Herbert]

Yes, correct. Please check yr pm.

 

[fugowitz]

Those ESS supercharges are like USD5-6K per set in the USA. It would be interesting to know what that would cost in M'sia after tax.
I heard autotrannies won't be able take the load of superchargers. I wonder how true is that.

 

[YaZmEeN]

Hmmm...can't wait to see the end result.best of luck bro!

 

[Herbert]

Those ESS supercharges are like USD5-6K per set in the USA. It would be interesting to know what that would cost in M'sia after tax.
I heard autotrannies won't be able take the load of superchargers. I wonder how true is that.

Bernard (the re-map guy) from BVO S'pore is a reseller for ESS. He can bring the supercharger kit to KL if ordered through him and hence no tax. Re auto trans - unless you tweak the Sc to higher pressure (10 psi or more) the converter will not last.

 

[astroboy]

.. Re auto trans - unless you tweak the Sc to higher pressure (10 psi or more) the converter will not last.

But converter on a ZF box can replace right?

Supercharging a highly efficient BMW engine will send the heat thru the roof, which means the car is only good for sprinting. For long distance high speed drive, i.e. to Penang, you'll be on limp mode before crossing Selangor border. Those who have more experience with such conversion hope u can chip in your experience.

 

[535i]

3 months on ASA SC - i have gear slippage now.

The fun side
Power-on-tap

The not-so-fun
various mapping options - dunno which is the best
SC on auto box - not a good combination. If it is on manual = haaaa .. different story
drinks petrol !

I have taken out the SC out of my car. Kindda miss it though ...

 

[astroboy]

I thought there's one up for sale in the forum, the ESS type, taken out from an E60, still available?

 

[535i]

I still have my ASA SK+ - taken out from my M54. But it has some whinning sound form the bearing but works fine. Was told that i have to change the whole unit - bearing can't be replaced. Cost EUR 1.8K !

I have another ESS - also taken out from M54 engine. Bought new - but at a very high price - Rm 40K +. How to sell 2nd hand coz the price for brand new now is cheap cheap.

ESS is more powderful ..

 

[Ecc0]

Engine safety and long term durability are almost solely the result of thermal load and detonation control. It is here that the real benefits of the highly efficient ESS Supercharger systems step to the forefront. The only other factors are quality of maintenance and the percentage of time the engine spends running at its redline RPM. Oddly enough, power has little relevance to durability. A full explanation of that statement lies in the mathematical and dynamic analysis of the power loads versus the inertial loads. A discussion of such length is impractical to include here, but revealing of the very interesting circumstance that the engine's component loads due to inertia loading will always subtract from the power load.

This permits the odd situation of actually doubling an engine's power output, but not doubling the loads it must endure. That interesting characteristic of the piston engine was the key to enormous power outputs of the turbocharged Grand Prix cars of the mid/late 1980's. They achieved power levels in excess of 1,300 BHP for qualifying and raced at around 900 BHP, all from engines slightly smaller than 2 litre. Please accept as fact, without showing the actual calculations, a 500 BHP power loading from your BMW M3 engine at its stock RPM ranges will not even tickle its structural tummy. As explained earlier, thermal loads are the killer. In that respect we urge you look closely at the safety features that are standard equipment with the ESS system.

Service and Maintenance With the ESS Supercharger system, once installed and detailed nicely, the owner/driver can expect to close the bonnet and forget it.

..now, im officially tempted.. ..according to site, my supercharged Z4 should get about 300+HP with 350NM of Torque .. not bad for such light vehicle..hmmm

 

[fugowitz]

300+HP with 350NM of Torque?............you got me tempted too.
On the other hand, 535i's experience is indeed a helpful reminder. On the tranny part, i reckon nobody knows better than our bro herbert.
If anyone knows the M'sian landed cost of ESS SC (for autotranny version), would appreciate a PM in my mail box if it is inappropriate to disclose on this thread.

 

[feisaldzul]

Ah Wai BM World address is wrong. Its at Desa Tun Razak. Its near the Bandar Tasik Selatan LRT Station.

I have been using supercharger for close to 6 years now and no such thing (at least to me) as heat problem. Never had limp mode. Been driving up and down whole Malaysia and even stuck in jams for 8 hours or direct blast KL - Penang for 2 hours straight with no issue. If you do it right it should be ok.

But yes dont do it on an auto transmission as 535 says. To best feel the impact, you need a manual gearbox.

Active Autowerke (http://www.activeautowerke.com/) has some good deals right now. Around USD4400 for an M54 engine though not specifc to Z4 but you can fabricate the necessary items.

But people rave about the ESS Twinscrew. As mentioned Bernard BVO can order for you and either you pick it up from him or he can bring it down to KL.
Quite a few people used ESS or using ESS in the forum. They should be able to chip in on feedback.

 

[Ecc0]

300+HP with 350NM of Torque?............you got me tempted too.

..yeah..for Z4 works both, auto or manual transmission..details says this :

* Boost pressure: 8 PSI
* Horsepower: 305+ DIN (Stock 192)
* Torque: 350 NM (Stock 245)
* Installation time: 8-10 hours

..verryyy nice...i think my Z4 is going to breathe some supercharged air ..

 

[ramsing]

this is the s/charger king, listen to him. when he floors d car, men start crying and the girls throw their panties at him!!!

Ah Wai BM World address is wrong. Its at Desa Tun Razak. Its near the Bandar Tasik Selatan LRT Station.

I have been using supercharger for close to 6 years now and no such thing (at least to me) as heat problem. Never had limp mode. Been driving up and down whole Malaysia and even stuck in jams for 8 hours or direct blast KL - Penang for 2 hours straight with no issue. If you do it right it should be ok.

But yes dont do it on an auto transmission as 535 says. To best feel the impact, you need a manual gearbox.

Active Autowerke (http://www.activeautowerke.com/) has some good deals right now. Around USD4400 for an M54 engine though not specifc to Z4 but you can fabricate the necessary items.

But people rave about the ESS Twinscrew. As mentioned Bernard BVO can order for you and either you pick it up from him or he can bring it down to KL.
Quite a few people used ESS or using ESS in the forum. They should be able to chip in on feedback.

 

[fugowitz]

Really ah Ramsing? Got to catch up with Feisaldzul & his SC car one of these days.

 

[maman]

3 months on ASA SC - i have gear slippage now.

The fun side
Power-on-tap

The not-so-fun
various mapping options - dunno which is the best
SC on auto box - not a good combination. If it is on manual = haaaa .. different story
drinks petrol !

I have taken out the SC out of my car. Kindda miss it though ...

HAhaha.. yup.. i agree with 535.. THE BAD, THE GOOD & THE UGLY all in one

 

[ramsing]

Really ah Ramsing? Got to catch up with Feisaldzul & his SC car one of these days.

i recommend you dont. coz the racun is strong with him. once bitten, there's no cure. hehe