McLaren DISQUALIFIED for 2007 and 2008!!!

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McLaren Mercedes has been disqualified from the 2007 and 2008 world championships, according to the first reports from the now concluded World Motor Sport Council hearing in Paris. Few details are currently available. More details to follow... (Source: F1-Live.Com @ 12.25 am Malaysian Time, 14th September 2007)
 
I just read on BBC news that they have been disqualified from the Constructors championships 2007. The drivers keep their points. 2008 will require them to have their cars stringently checked.

I think this is a better deal than knocking the drivers off completely. Removing a stiff competitor would result in a boring season. It won't be any fun at all if we have to see Ferrari competing against our iconic (according to Proton Chairman) Proton satria now, would it?
 
....and to top it all up, they were fined US$100 Million, I think.
 
50 million pounds, the biggest fine in motorsport history. Now that's a record McLaren does not want to its name.
 
It looks like Alonso will be back to Renault soon.....and I wont be surprised if McLaren will do what they can to make Hamilton the world champion this season.
 
What does the stripping of points for constructor championship means? Does not make sense for stripping the points but still allow the cars to race this weekend!! By making such decision, has the motorsport council found Mcclaren guilty of benefitting from the spying n usage of the info?:cool: :stupid:
 
No constructors points means no official glory for the manufacturers. I wonder if they lose the points money they get when they score points.
 
surely their reputation is down the drain..
as a ferrari fan,i think it is better for them to strip off the driver's championship points also..haha
 
FIA = Ferrari Internal Assistance

For the first race this season, Ferrari won it with an illegal floor board. This is deliberate cheating.

FIA should also impose penalties on Ferrari.
 
aiyah..all for show onlylah...lose constructors points so what..we all got eye to see for ourselves which car better mah....if Ferrari says that Mclaren stole their data..how come McLaren is the better car??? even if so McLaren did a better job than ferrari with the data...which means they made the better car..which means they are a better constructor...so heck care with the points...as long as the whole world knows I think thats what matters most..and now mcLaren get a lot of sympathy and everyone now thinks that ferrari are sore losers...thats even worse for a reputation..BTW Im a Ferrari Fan....when MS was around..Now Sauber...BMW mah.
 
Ever since the days of Schumi, Ferrari has always been sore losers la.

Remember when they won the Malaysia Grand Prix with illegal Barge Boards?? Did they get penalised? NO. Similarly this year's Australian GP with the movable floor. Did they get penalised? Again, I reiterate that this is deliberate cheating, just like how Honda did with their illegal fuel tank. At least Honda got banned for a few races.

There are plenty of interesting reads on the F1 forums and web sites. One thing remains clear, the tenacity of the FIA to punish and find fault with McLaren is unprecedented.

Alonso is rumoured to be the whistle blower in exchange for amnesty. If you are Ron Dennis, will you keep him for next season?
 
...that one not bcos soreloser mah ..that one got special offermah...but now different mah..know cannot catch up then go find other means to be champion.....
 
Now I seriously hope BMW Sauber will challenge for honours next season and kick Ferrari's sore @$$.
 
Cheating is all in the interpretation. Barge boards & movable boards - the cars are inspected before & after the race. So, the officials know the cars. Its all in the interpretation. just like the PKFZ. Govt bail them out of RM4.9billion, including buying the company over from previous owners. Then hand the running of the whole thing back to previous owner to run. Got meaning, no man! But its business as usual. Ferrari have to have a major say because F1 = Ferrari.
 
Coughlan names names

Thursday 13th September 2007

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Mike Coughlan has finally spoken publicly about the Stepneygate scandal, saying he did receive Ferrari's secrets from Nigel Stepney and he did tell McLaren CEO Martin Whitmarsh's about it and even drew drawings for Paddy Lowe, McLaren's engineering director.

As McLaren face the FIA's World Motor Sport Council in Paris today, Coughlan has publicly revealed potentially damning evidence against McLaren, who suspended him after the scandal broke.

Coughlan has revealed that it was Stepney, Ferrari's sacked chief mechanic, who provided him with the Scuderia's secrets back in mid-March of this year. Stepney, though, has denied this all along.

"He is not a close friend," Coughlan told Autosport. "We are acquaintances who are both in the business of Formula One and have maintained cordial relations over the years.

"Stepney contacted me for the first time in five years on March 1st 2007.

"He subsequently telephoned me and informed me that he was very unhappy with the direction his career was taking at Ferrari and Mr Almondo's promotion above him.

"But he did not pass any technical information about Ferrari to me until mid-March 2007."

However, once he did pass that information to Coughlan, the Brit showed it to McLaren, something the Woking team has claimed never happened. The information included designs of Ferrari's floor device, a rear wing flap separator, and a technique to lower the floor of the car.

"Details of the floor device were sent to me by email to my McLaren work email address," Coughlan continued. "I showed the email fleetingly to Martin Whitmarsh, who asked me to take up the issue with Paddy Lowe, McLaren's engineering director.

"I produced a schematic drawing for Lowe, which I understand he forwarded to the FIA. The FIA subsequently declared the floor device as falling outside the regulations.

"Details of the rear wing device were also sent by email to me. I briefly showed this email to Lowe. I understand he reported this to Charlie Whiting of the FIA at the Melbourne Grand Prix, but he was of the opinion that the design was legal.

"As for the information about the subtle engineering technique, I felt it was inconsequential and so I did not show these details to anyone."

An attack of conscience in April though, led to McLaren setting up a firewall to block any emails from Stepney and Coughlan arranging to meet Stepney to ask him to "stop communicating to me any further."

However, that meeting instead led to Stepney handing Coughlan a "bundle of documents which he asked me to look at. My engineering curiosity got the better of me and I foolishly took the documents from him.

"I casually flicked through them over the course of 25 minutes or so the journey took for Stepney to drive me to the airport. I kept hold of the documents and took them home with me. I did not look further at the documents that weekend."

In fact Coughlan is adamant that he ever barely looked at the material handed to him by Stepney.

"I looked at the papers given to me by Stepney on only a few occasions," he stated. "Certainly the time I spent looking at them in total between receiving them and the search at my house on July 3rd was no more than one to two hours.

"I did not look at them in a discursive or methodical way, nor did I look at all of the documents.

"In the limited period of time I spent reviewing the documents, it was not possible to glean anything that would be of material use to McLaren that we did not already know from our own observation and photographs of Ferrari's car."
 
at the end of the day, who wins? the supremo....this will keep the F1 glamour as ever...no?
 
I think Alonso should have all his Drivers Championship points stripped!

Alonso implicated in FIA`s verdict

Friday 14th September 2007

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Fernando Alonso is implicated in the FIA's findings behind their punishment of McLaren.


Reigning World Champion Fernando Alonso has been fully implicated in the FIA's findings behind their strict sanctions of McLaren in the spy scandal.
McLaren were stripped of all their Constructors' points for this season on Thursday and handed a record fine of 100million US dollars (£49.2million) as punishment.
In their 15-page judgment released on Friday, the FIA have published details of emails exchanged between Alonso and test driver Pedro de la Rosa proving they were in unauthorised possession of highly confidential technical information belonging to Ferrari.
One section of the report reads: "The emails show unequivocally that both Mr Alonso and Mr de la Rosa received confidential Ferrari information via (Mike) Coughlan.
"Both drivers knew that this information was confidential Ferrari information and that both knew that the information was being received by Coughlan from (Nigel) Stepney."
Mike Coughlan was suspended from his position as McLaren chief designer on July 3, the same day Ferrari sacked Stepney as their head of performance development.
It is understood Stepney forwarded a 780-page technical dossier to Coughlan, an accusation the former continues to deny.
But one email exchange between Coughlan and de la Rosa and then de la Rosa and Alonso is particularly damning.
It initially relates to the weight distribution of Ferrari's cars as set up for the Australian Grand Prix on March 18.
According to the FIA release, de la Rosa emailed Coughlan on 21 March requesting specific details of Ferrari's car.
"Hi Mike, do you know the Red Car's Weight Distribution? It would be important for us to know so that we could try it in the simulator. Thanks in advance, Pedro.
"p.s. I will be in the simulator tomorrow."
In his evidence given to the WMSC, de la Rosa confirmed that Coughlan replied by text message with precise details of Ferrari's weight distribution.
The Spaniard then passed that information on to Alonso on March 25, 2007.
De la Rosa then pertinently concludes: "All the information from Ferrari is very reliable.
"It comes from Nigel Stepney, their former chief mechanic - I don't know what post he holds now.
"He's the same person who told us in Australia that Kimi (Raikkonen) was stopping on lap 18.
"He's very friendly with Mike Coughlan, our chief designer, and he told him that."
In his email exchange with Alonso, de la Rosa also refers to tests being carried out on a flexible wing in which he says is "a copy of the system we think Ferrari uses".
An April email exchange between de la Rosa and Coughlan referring to Ferrari's braking system results in the latter stating: "We are looking at something similar."
The FIA conclude: "This latter statement strongly suggests the McLaren system was being worked on from a position of knowledge of the details of the Ferrari system, which, even if the Ferrari system not being directly copied, must be more advantageous to McLaren than designing a system without such knowledge."
The FIA also highlight evidence from Ferrari, originating from the Italian Police, and is the result of an official analysis of telephone, texts and email contacts between Coughlan and Stepney.
Between the period March 21 to July 3, Coughlan received 23 calls from Stepney's mobile, with four made, while Coughlan received 124 texts from Stepney, and sent 66.
The FIA note that contact increased during a test carried out by Ferrari in Malaysia at the end of March, and in the run-up to and during the Australian, Malaysian, Bahrain and Spanish Grands Prix.
The FIA state: "The new evidence regarding the number and timing of the contacts makes it far more likely that there was a systematic flow of Ferrari confidential information to Coughlan leading to the conclusion that the illicit communication of information was very likely not limited to the transmission of the Ferrari dossier discovered at Coughlan's home on 3 July 2007."
McLaren argued that any information received was not used and did not enhance their car, but the FIA countered they were "entitled to treat possession of another team's information as an offence meriting a penalty on its own if it so chooses".
They also state that "Coughlan's actions were intended by him to give McLaren a sporting advantage".
In conclusion, the FIA report states: "The WMSC finds that a number of McLaren employees or agents were in unauthorised possession of, or knew, or should have known, that other McLaren employees or agents were in unauthorised possession of highly confidential Ferrari technical information.
"In addition, the WMSC finds that there was an intention on the part of a number of McLaren personnel to use some of the Ferrari confidential information in its own testing.
"The evidence leads the WMSC to conclude that some degree of sporting advantage was obtained, though it may forever be impossible to quantify that advantage in concrete terms."
 
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