HPC Track Day 20th Dec 2009

  • Click here to become an Official Member of BMW Club Malaysia Download Form

Jules

Club Guest
Joined
Dec 7, 2004
Messages
2,028
Points
0
Guys, The HPC Track Day is once again available and this time, its for the FULL TRACK but only half day only ( ie. Morning Session ), to be held on the 20th Dec 2009 ( Sunday ) For more info and also on-line registration - please visit www.hpcevents.com If you need a reason to do this - treat yourself ( or your loved ones ) as a pre-xmas gift! Cheers,Jules
 
It was a wonderful event. Got bump up to Group 2 by Fabian and he was my instructor too...Good lesson from Fabian on how to make full use of the car and track. Drove my hearts out hahha and spun at turn 9 on the track.

XXX sat with me on last session and really had me pushing harder hehehhe and spun again at turn 4 to 5 i think. Overall really enjoyed myself. Thanks to those guys who made it happen.

p.s - Vanity u had fun too rite?
 
enkil;479231 said:
It was a wonderful event. Got bump up to Group 2 by Fabian and he was my instructor too...Good lesson from Fabian on how to make full use of the car and track. Drove my hearts out hahha and spun at turn 9 on the track.

XXX sat with me on last session and really had me pushing harder hehehhe and spun again at turn 4 to 5 i think. Overall really enjoyed myself. Thanks to those guys who made it happen.

p.s - Vanity u had fun too rite?

U're not bumped up to Grp 2, technically you were in Grp 1b...

Remember not to charge into corners.. Slow in fast out...
 
enkil;479231 said:
It was a wonderful event. Got bump up to Group 2 by Fabian and he was my instructor too...Good lesson from Fabian on how to make full use of the car and track. Drove my hearts out hahha and spun at turn 9 on the track.

XXX sat with me on last session and really had me pushing harder hehehhe and spun again at turn 4 to 5 i think. Overall really enjoyed myself. Thanks to those guys who made it happen.

p.s - Vanity u had fun too rite?

Honestly, I think it's the most fun I've ever had in SIC. Previously, I was always too impatient and took very aggressive lines. On some occasions, those lines got me on the gravel. =/ This time, I took it slow and easy, and cornering was way smoother, and surprisingly faster. =D

Group 2 seemed more fun though. I prefer a full track instead of roaming around by yourself. =p
 
Van1ty;479229 said:
Nice meeting you today ess530i. ^^

hey nice meeting u bro! as well as fabian & cempaka...

i would've said that HPC group 3 is a waste of time & money if its not because of the driving instructor which i managed to get at the very last minute. btw, i got screwed for asking for one earlier. i blame myself for not doing proper research b4 signing up. group 2 wouldn't been the best for someone who want to improve their driving skill with help from HPC instructors. for those who thinks they're good and only want to test their car in sepang, look elsewhere like a private or open track day. coz for HPC group 3 you only get about 1-hour of track time for about the same amount of money you would pay for a 3-hour open track day. further, it doesn't mean that having less cars in HPC group 3 would mean there are less red flags or its a safer place... yesterday's incidents is by far the worst i've witnessed in my 20+ combined track days experience. i guess its due to the lack of track time so everyone just go all out whenever they have a chance. in my opinion, HPC would've been perfect without a group 3. i still highly recommend anyone whether with or without experience to join HPC (group 1 or 2), chances are you WILL improve your driving skills and gain some knowledge

p/s: dont shoot me... just sharing my personal experience :)

[video=youtube;Erc90D4s-4U]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Erc90D4s-4U[/video] Van1ty... can see your car here too :)
 
Let me clarify on the incident which unfortunately took place yesterday. It was in Grp3 and a 300zx Fairlady overcooked Turn 15 and went into the tyre barrier wall... Apparently, he was barreling down the back straight giving chase to Cempaka's monster E30.. According to another those who inspected the car later, the front brake pads were too thin, probably causing brake fade when he tried to brake hard for the hairpin turn.

The driver was reportedly ok after receiving outpatient treatment. He had some cuts on his right arm due to shattered glass. The car didn't have much damage.

BTW, ess530i, sorry i didn't manage to assign an instructor for you earlier.. too many thing going on at the same time.

Saw a bit of ess530i's video, the instructor is Redd...
 
oh... I saw my slow E30 overtaken at T11 towards the end.. hehe... I also have onboard video of that lap... :p will upload later...
 
fabianyee;479321 said:
Let me clarify on the incident which unfortunately took place yesterday. It was in Grp3 and a 300zx Fairlady overcooked Turn 15 and went into the tyre barrier wall... Apparently, he was barreling down the back straight giving chase to Cempaka's monster E30.. According to another those who inspected the car later, the front brake pads were too thin, probably causing brake fade when he tried to brake hard for the hairpin turn.

The driver was reportedly ok after receiving outpatient treatment. He had some cuts on his right arm due to shattered glass. The car didn't have much damage.

BTW, ess530i, sorry i didn't manage to assign an instructor for you earlier.. too many thing going on at the same time.

Saw a bit of ess530i's video, the instructor is Redd...

Monster E30??? Details pls on the car (what engine it's running on) :love: :D
 
ess530i;479302 said:
hey nice meeting u bro! as well as fabian & cempaka...

i would've said that HPC group 3 is a waste of time & money if its not because of the driving instructor which i managed to get at the very last minute. btw, i got screwed for asking for one earlier. i blame myself for not doing proper research b4 signing up. group 2 wouldn't been the best for someone who want to improve their driving skill with help from HPC instructors. for those who thinks they're good and only want to test their car in sepang, look elsewhere like a private or open track day. coz for HPC group 3 you only get about 1-hour of track time for about the same amount of money you would pay for a 3-hour open track day. further, it doesn't mean that having less cars in HPC group 3 would mean there are less red flags or its a safer place... yesterday's incidents is by far the worst i've witnessed in my 20+ combined track days experience. i guess its due to the lack of track time so everyone just go all out whenever they have a chance. in my opinion, HPC would've been perfect without a group 3. i still highly recommend anyone whether with or without experience to join HPC (group 1 or 2), chances are you WILL improve your driving skills and gain some knowledge

p/s: dont shoot me... just sharing my personal experience :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Erc90D4s-4U Van1ty... can see your car here too :)

ESS530i,

You are perfectly right in your assessment.

Group 1 & 2 would be good for beginners, more so to those that have not driven on Sepang and have no idea how to register nor expect.

Group 3 used to be good, when there is less than 10 cars. That itself will compensate for the lack of track time, ie; the 30 minute slot is probably good for 5-6 laps before you have to come and wait for another couple of hours till your next outing. Given the number of cars out there in Group 3 nowdays, anyone will be better off at an open track day and 2 weekends ago, there were less than 20 cars on the track!

Bottom line, HPC is recommended for beginners but once you have been there for a couple of times, open trackday would be a more viable option.

Cheers
 
ess530i;479302 said:
hey nice meeting u bro! as well as fabian & cempaka...

i would've said that HPC group 3 is a waste of time & money if its not because of the driving instructor which i managed to get at the very last minute. btw, i got screwed for asking for one earlier. i blame myself for not doing proper research b4 signing up. group 2 wouldn't been the best for someone who want to improve their driving skill with help from HPC instructors. for those who thinks they're good and only want to test their car in sepang, look elsewhere like a private or open track day. coz for HPC group 3 you only get about 1-hour of track time for about the same amount of money you would pay for a 3-hour open track day. further, it doesn't mean that having less cars in HPC group 3 would mean there are less red flags or its a safer place... yesterday's incidents is by far the worst i've witnessed in my 20+ combined track days experience. i guess its due to the lack of track time so everyone just go all out whenever they have a chance. in my opinion, HPC would've been perfect without a group 3. i still highly recommend anyone whether with or without experience to join HPC (group 1 or 2), chances are you WILL improve your driving skills and gain some knowledge

p/s: dont shoot me... just sharing my personal experience :)

+1....that's why I stop going to HPC, too little track time caused by so many incidents
 
shaifulo;479340 said:
+1....that's why I stop going to HPC, too little track time caused by so many incidents

I beg to differ, HPC events only have a handful of minor incidents. Some of the hold ups were caused by drivers ignoring the red flags and kept going round on the track.
HPC is learning ground for newbie track drivers.

There are also good drivers with proper driving techniques but with completely off the line racing lines. One will realise there's still lots to learn when there's a sit-in instructor giving guidance.
 
Bundy and all,

Thanks for comments and especially positive ratings/remarks. Now to clarify.

Let me say that it is not correct to say that group 3 is a waste of time/money as in ALL sessions now, we do debriefs immediately after your drive. With this, if you had an off - as reported by SIC ( and SIC alone via mashal and CCTV ), you will be called in to explain what happened. Technically if you NO SHOW for your debriefs, we can stop you from going out the next session.

To clarify more - the debriefs are done in a very cordial and friendly manner to ensure you are not put in spotlight for your errors BUT to share with the rest what happened. A senior debriefing instructor is in attendance to tell you what possily happened and what you could have done to avoid the situation.

HPC also believes if you know your fellow drivers, you will be less agressive to one another. This is proven correct as there were less incidents in the later part of the day - at least for Group 3 since I was debriefing that. The other reason is also to allow some socialising of the drivers - to share a common passion for your cars.

We do this debrief for group 1, 2 and 3 students. This to ensure you are learning by joining HPC and not just burning your tyres and petrol away.

For group 3, the overtaking rules are more relaxed than group 2 and you will be driving with instructors as well - so THERE ARE STILL RULES, applicable to all. Do you have this in any track day? I have done public track days and I have seen 4 cars abreast going into T1. Imagine wrecking your latest M3 on a 30K worth track car EK9....

In one recent public open track day - I had also the pleasure of sitting on the pit entry in my teams' race car for a good 15mins to only be later waved to pack up cos the session is done as there was a car beached at T1 and cannot be removed that quickly. Imagine paying Rm300 for a sauna in our stationary race car and no play. A red light every 5 - 10mins is common, at least the one I went to this puasa month! There were 200 plus cars on track!

To also clarify - for GROUP 2, there are NO instructors actually. Those driving in Group2 but had an instructor were actually the spillover from the Group 1. In future, we are planning a taxi ride for all Group 2 students in our race car ( in group 3 ) to show you how hard you can brake, racing lines and heel n toe exercise ( and reason why its done ) to extend your money's worth into this education.

For those who had commented on the waiting time, I have this to say. Can your road car really take one hour of continous running? I had another real experience to share - I know a Subaru Sti BREMBO brakes cannot.....Husband did group 2, wife was doing group 1 and we ran out of brakes by session 2. No fun if you risk your life this way. A lime green Evo ( also Brembo shod ) also had cooked its brakes yesterday, so it's not a uncommon incident.

The break in between allows you to cool your brakes and engine. If not, I wonder why many cars open their bonnets ah?

HPC's Grouping is meant as step for a succession in educating the driver. Its intended to bring the participant from a Sepang Drive Experience ( group 1 ) to a more advanced driving technique ( Group 2 ) and Introduction to Racing ( Group 3 ). And yes, HPC is planning a racing series for this progression as well for those who want to go beyond group 3.

FYI, HPC keeps a database of all the Group 1 participant and also incidents for cars called in the debrief ( group 2 and 3 ). This is to say, we can weed out those wild drivers from progressing up the rank if we want to as well. Yes, we screen our entries. Once again, I think HPC is the only organisation that troubles itself to do this as we want to make this safe for all participants - not that we want to keep this for the elite.

All in all, I recognise there is a lack of understanding what HPC is aspiring to do here which have lead to some of the given comments. We have a Driver Progression System in place, albeit not perfect but we are trying to improve it as we go along. Please be reminded a lot of effort goes into the education material we email to all of you and I think its the cheapest driving education you can get nowadays.

Its sad to see many ppl dun read or listen and if the fairlady driver did so, he will not be where he is now - to reveal as less as I can, he was driving with windows up, hence the cuts. ( anyhow, pls recover fast and he is a friend of an instructor )

In closing, I thank all for the free feedback.

Safe Driving to all,
Jules
HPC Head Instructor
 
Jules;479348 said:
For those who had commented on the waiting time, I have this to say. Can your road car really take one hour of continous running? I had another real experience to share - I know a Subaru Sti BREMBO brakes cannot.....Husband did group 2, wife was doing group 1 and we ran out of brakes by session 2. No fun if you risk your life this way. A lime green Evo ( also Brembo shod ) also had cooked its brakes yesterday, so it's not a uncommon incident.

The break in between allows you to cool your brakes and engine. If not, I wonder why many cars open their bonnets ah?

Safe Driving to all,
Jules
HPC Head Instructor

This is precisely the problem with group 3.

In the allocated time (30 or 45 minutes), one can only do 5-6 laps at most before coming in to cool down the brakes, tires, engines and etc, there is little possibility for one to maximise the allocated time unless you want to risk your life and car as you have articulated above! Then one has to wait for 1 to 1.5 hours before one can go out again for another 5-6 laps barring any unforeseen circumstances ie; accidents.

To many that have done Group 3, that is the biggest disadvantage and hence the lack of favorable response, more so if one has acquired sufficient experience on the track.

To the Group 1&2 participants , this is also the biggest attraction point, controlled and safe environment to learn more about tracking. :top:

Cheers
 
correction... its 25mins of track time per session x 3 sessions

bottom line is... something need to be done to make group 3 sessions as enjoyable, safe & worthwhile as the other groups
 
ess530i;479367 said:
correction... its 25mins of track time per session x 3 sessions

bottom line is... something need to be done to make group 3 sessions as enjoyable, safe & worthwhile as the other groups

Will let HPC management know of your comments. As of now, I would say Grp3 is still enjoyable and relatively safe. We try our best to see to it that all participants pay attention to the safe aspect of it. We do stress on safety at all time. Were you present at the driver's briefing scheduled for 8:30am yesterday?
 
Top Bottom