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Message: <blockquote data-quote="moots" data-source="post: 725730" data-attributes="member: 219">hi guys,well,i agree with what vp herbert mentioned.but i guess,i have a little edge in that i diy as far as i can.most times if i can't handle a defect due to it being too big a job or one which requires special toolings or i am just too plain lazy,i leave it to optimum to do...and maybe the difference is...i tell them what needs doing instead of leaving it to them to do the trouble shooting/go thru the elimination process which can be costly.they have the experience and i have made countless phone calls to ah foo and ah fai for technical advise when i am stuck at home and never once did they ever let me down.there was once when i did my e39 vanos seal change at home and i needed the vanos setting wrench which ah foo let me borrow for a whole day!i guess maybe it's because of the relation that have been built thru the years that makes me stick to them till now.and yes herbert i will surely relate ken's dissatisfaction to ah foo....cheers</blockquote>