Unpleasant Experience at Optimum Motorworks Kayu Ara

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Hey guys, I want to share my unpleasant experience at Optimum Kayu Ara that I had today, NOT because I seek any form of compensation or apology, I just want this information to be shared out[SIZE=14.4444446563721px] so[/SIZE] you can be your own judge in this matter. I try to be as neutral as I can be, but before I go into the main topic, let's see my first service at this place on 1st Nov 2014 when I just got my car:

Oil Filter - RM38.60
Front Disc Brakes (Ori) - RM800.00 (RM400 each)
Front Brake Pads (Textar) - RM196.00
Long Shaft Coupling Rubber Disc - RM198.00
Outside Temperature Sensor - RM105.00
Socket - RM25.00
Wire Bushing Contact - RM30.00
Mobil 1 Fully Synthetic 7L - RM399.00
Car Inspection Service - RM60.00
Change Front Disc Brakes & Pads - RM50.00
Remove & Change Long Shaft Coupling - RM100.00
Tax - RM12.60

Total: RM2,014.20

In my opinion prices was rather expensive, especially brake discs and pads. But never mind, I tutup mata, price was agreed upon before any work started. I asked whether could I bring my own parts but they do not allow, never mind, I wanted to establish a long term relationship with a reputable workshop.

Then fast forward to the evening today, which 3 events made me seriously doubt the capability of this workshop to provide a good and honest service to customers:

Event 1: When I arrived, an Indian uncle picked up his E46 and just left. He immediately came back and complained about harsh vibration of his car during Idling. I was standing beside Fai and the uncle in his driver seat, I saw the RPM needle constantly revving up and down when the car is stopped, with gear in D. Fai explained that its the engine mounting that needs to be changed, is bad already. The uncle seemed to accept that and left.

I was rather surprised, as far as I know engine mountings won't cause the RPM to fluctuate in such a manner, fixing the mountings won't fix the RPM issue, but I kept quiet and left it as it is.

Event 2: I requested Fai to check my car's jerking problem, when I let go of the throttle between 1k - 2k RPM, I can feel and see the RPM needle bouncing up and down until the car comes to a stop. Idling has no problem, no vibration and RPM issues. I initially thought was torque converter soon to fail, so I sought a few workshop's opinions: Mr Tan of M-Scope Batu Caves suggested that I check for vacuum leaks, manifold & MAF problems before I touch the gearbox, might save me alot of $$$. Mike from Blue Green confirms the RPM problem, also thinks its not the torque converter, and said he needs more time and the problem to be more intermittent to be able to diagnose properly. A few other workshops though wasn't able to detect the problem at all.

So during Fai's test drive he wasn't able to detect anything. After a while he asked me directly "So what you want to do??"... I was at a loss for words, a professional is asking me this, I didn't know whether he meant it as a joke or something else.

Never mind, I asked him how much does it cost to change my air cond compressor. He said 3K... my jaw dropped, I asked why so expensive (Naidu quoted me RM1.4K), Fai just indifferently said that I can go do it somewhere else if it's too expensive.


Event 3: We went back, he plugged in his scanner to scan for faults, subsequently lighted his cigarette right at my doorstep. My car was filled with smoke, and I don't smoke. Tak apa, I boleh tahan, but just barely. Then came the inevitable moment he flicked his cigarette and the ash "accidentally" flew into my car.

That's it. He crossed the line, I reprimanded his actions, he apologised and offered to vacuum it, [SIZE=14.4444446563721px]but also defended that he "didn't smoke inside my car mahhh"...[/SIZE]

I asked him to keep his scanner and I left as a very pissed off man. Didn't bother to ask about the Beisan vanos seals which I was very interested in

I know event 3 doesn't have anything to do with their professional capabilities, but seriously, I'm abit OCD and I try to keep my car as clean and shiny as possible. Inconsiderate things like that really do piss me off for ages to come :70: .

Again, I seek nothing else but to share my experience, I think a reputable workshop like this shouldn't offer such a level of service to BMW owners. And Fai is right, I'll definitely bring my car elsewhere and won't be back here, ever.
 
oh no.....sorry you had to go thru this unpleasant experience...

i have been wz optimum for more than 15 years and they are the ones i trust and go to for diagnosis and troubleshooting and maintenance work that i cannot perform at home myself.yes they are pricey now.

maybe it was ah fai's bad day.....

suggest that if you ever think of going there again to give em a 2nd chance,go see faisal,one of the senior mechanics there...or see the boss man ah foo
 
I agree that Jason foo and their boys are ok and friendly, foo left already yesterday so couldn't meet him. But still in both occasions fai is the one who quoted the prices, and that's really a big factor to me.

If the prices that they charge is gonna be comparable to official service center's prices and I get treated with such an attitude, it's obvious I rather go and enjoy the air cond and cakes at BA la... =)
 
I would sometimes equate a car workshop to that of a medical centre. Some GP clinics and specialist consultants have long line patients queuing and patient would say that this doctor is the best whereas some would have a different opinion. Hence one would find that patient seeking a second opinion for more serious or complicate medical condition. Same goes for workshop, some say they are good and some say otherwise and second opinion is always recommended for more complex problems.

Some members had pretty bad experiences while some for example bro moots has none and Optimum is his favourite workshop. I am sure many members would have their fair share of comments/complaints about their workshop experiences including that of BMW authorized service centers but most of them would rather choose not talk about it in the forum. It would certainly be good if bro moots could relate Ken Ng's incident to Jason Foo (owner) of Optimum with the view to improve their work ethics and the whatnot complaints. Also Ah Fai's technical competence is questionable and he needs improvement dealing with customer.

I personally too had encountered a couple of minor unpleasant experiences with Optimum but the one that "broke the camel back" so to speak was noise caused by one of the two catalytic converters of my e39 m54. Defective catalytic converter was replaced by a used one and it was handled personally by Jason Foo himself. After replacement, another type of noise was found and over a 5 days period, he went on a trial and error basis replacing item after item without resolving the issue and to the extent of wanting to replace the whole gearbox. Took it to another workshop and found it was the wrong catalytic converter (meant for e39 m52) that was the culprit. Replaced with the correct m54 catalytic converter and problem resolved. Optimum charged me for some other minor and consumable items replaced during the trial and error process and I did not want to make a fuss of it but demanded full refund for the wrong catalytic converter.
 
Yes..I had my bad experience with them too. I am one who don't bargain prices with mechanics. They changed the CAB of my e46 from PU to meyle without asking me to solve the squeking issue. I didn't mind and ah fai told me if there are any issue with the meyle, they will change it for free.

A few days later, I discovered that the bush was half hanging out from the bracket. Called jason and asked whether they can replace it but he was hesitant and asked me to come over first.

I didn't like the fact that he was hesitant and rather reluctant to change it. That was my last time there.
 
Herbert said:
I would sometimes equate a car workshop to that of a medical centre. Some GP clinics and specialist consultants have long line patients queuing and patient would say that this doctor is the best whereas some would have a different opinion. Hence one would find that patient seeking a second opinion for more serious or complicate medical condition. Same goes for workshop, some say they are good and some say otherwise and second opinion is always recommended for more complex problems.

Some members had pretty bad experiences while some for example bro moots has none and Optimum is his favourite workshop. I am sure many members would have their fair share of comments/complaints about their workshop experiences including that of BMW authorized service centers but most of them would rather choose not talk about it in the forum. It would certainly be good if bro moots could relate Ken Ng's incident to Jason Foo (owner) of Optimum with the view to improve their work ethics and the whatnot complaints. Also Ah Fai's technical competence is questionable and he needs improvement dealing with customer.

I personally too had encountered a couple of minor unpleasant experiences with Optimum but the one that "broke the camel back" so to speak was noise caused by one of the two catalytic converters of my e39 m54. Defective catalytic converter was replaced by a used one and it was handled personally by Jason Foo himself. After replacement, another type of noise was found and over a 5 days period, he went on a trial and error basis replacing item after item without resolving the issue and to the extent of wanting to replace the whole gearbox. Took it to another workshop and found it was the wrong catalytic converter (meant for e39 m52) that was the culprit. Replaced with the correct m54 catalytic converter and problem resolved. Optimum charged me for some other minor and consumable items replaced during the trial and error process and I did not want to make a fuss of it but demanded full refund for the wrong catalytic converter.
Yes I do notice that members prefer not to talk about bad experiences here unless it's on the extreme side and they want to warn others. Forgive me for being noobish but, is there a fear that when it's written in black and white, it might cause problems like defamation, boycotting..etc? For me I think this forum is a great place to share information both good and bad, it gives both the workshops and consumers benefits by making it a truly free market for all. By making all these information publicly available it'll keep the workshops' actions in check, yet I also believe that this forum has already brought a substantial amount of businesses to them already just by word of mouth isn't it?

My friends all have these stigma about second hand BMWs that'll cost a bomb to maintain and reliability is low, and to tell the truth I still do have the fear too as I'm new to the BMW world. Ironically its in some U.S. forums that I read that gave me confidence to switch back from Jap cars to continental (http://logicum.co/how-to-keep-your-bmw-e46-in-top-shape/), and I especially agree with the statement that 90% of all the costs to maintain a BMW in top shape is the same as any other car... it's just that we BMW owners love their cars too much compared to other non car enthusiasts :69: . I just hope that by sharing more information, more newcomers would have the courage to take the step towards BMW ownership so in all, more beneficial to everyone as well :67: .

That wrong catalytic converter I think, is quite a serious issue. One mechanic I went to see in PJ also hinted the possibility of overhauling the whole gearbox to solve the jerking problem; it made me so worried I couldn't sleep the whole night and thus went to M-Scope the next day :stupid: . Glad to hear that it wasn't something too serious!



advocates said:
Yes..I had my bad experience with them too. I am one who don't bargain prices with mechanics. They changed the CAB of my e46 from PU to meyle without asking me to solve the squeking issue. I didn't mind and ah fai told me if there are any issue with the meyle, they will change it for free.

A few days later, I discovered that the bush was half hanging out from the bracket. Called jason and asked whether they can replace it but he was hesitant and asked me to come over first.

I didn't like the fact that he was hesitant and rather reluctant to change it. That was my last time there.

What's a CAB? If it was half hanging out from the bracket, could it have caused a serious problem or accident?? :blink:

Hmm, my jerking problem also came about after I changed the long shaft coupling with Optimum, it wasn't there when I tested the car and drove the car one week after purchasing. But I also fixed many other parts so I can't be sure...
 
Complacency breeds contempt I would say in this case.
My opinion is Ken..move on to another workshop. Just like a restaurant, some say good others say so-so. They wont miss our business much and at the same time there will be new ones coming too.

I was lucky I found another, and I go there ever since.
 
hi guys,
well,i agree with what vp herbert mentioned.but i guess,i have a little edge in that i diy as far as i can.most times if i can't handle a defect due to it being too big a job or one which requires special toolings or i am just too plain lazy,i leave it to optimum to do...and maybe the difference is...i tell them what needs doing instead of leaving it to them to do the trouble shooting/go thru the elimination process which can be costly.

they have the experience and i have made countless phone calls to ah foo and ah fai for technical advise when i am stuck at home and never once did they ever let me down.there was once when i did my e39 vanos seal change at home and i needed the vanos setting wrench which ah foo let me borrow for a whole day!

i guess maybe it's because of the relation that have been built thru the years that makes me stick to them till now.and yes herbert i will surely relate ken's dissatisfaction to ah foo....

cheers
 
beemerback said:
Complacency breeds contempt I would say in this case.
My opinion is Ken..move on to another workshop. Just like a restaurant, some say good others say so-so. They wont miss our business much and at the same time there will be new ones coming too.

I was lucky I found another, and I go there ever since.
Yes indeed I agree, which workshop are you referring to? Mind to share? :69:


moots said:
hi guys,
well,i agree with what vp herbert mentioned.but i guess,i have a little edge in that i diy as far as i can.most times if i can't handle a defect due to it being too big a job or one which requires special toolings or i am just too plain lazy,i leave it to optimum to do...and maybe the difference is...i tell them what needs doing instead of leaving it to them to do the trouble shooting/go thru the elimination process which can be costly.

they have the experience and i have made countless phone calls to ah foo and ah fai for technical advise when i am stuck at home and never once did they ever let me down.there was once when i did my e39 vanos seal change at home and i needed the vanos setting wrench which ah foo let me borrow for a whole day!

i guess maybe it's because of the relation that have been built thru the years that makes me stick to them till now.and yes herbert i will surely relate ken's dissatisfaction to ah foo....

cheers
Wow I really admire those who could DIY on their cars. I also aim to follow the DIY path but so far I've only changed the interior center console and arm rest, I read up on the vanos seal change and that's still way above me as of now hehe.

Your relation with Optimum is very good, one that is built over years of trust... But I can't help to think that Fai won't hesitate to potong newcomers like me by charging double of market prices. "Trust" in my case, has already been broken in my second visit there.


crusher said:
I changed my discs at another place and they cost me Rm500 and Rm 450 for front and back respectively.
:blink:
erm, is RM500 and RM450 the price for each brake disc, or price per pair for front and back respectively???
If it's per pair, omg I've been potong double the price... :66: My mistake, should have followed the maintenance thread more closely...
 
Ahh Optimum. The first workshop I went when I first got my E46 couple of years ago. Left (and subsequently tried a few others and found one which I frequent since) after I found Bavarian Auto and realised that parts cost at least twice as much. Jason is a nice guy to speak to though. Gave some pretty good advices. Wouldn't say the same about Ah Fai.
 
I would avoid workshops that doesn't allow you to bring your own parts. There are plenty of people that can turn a spanner.
 
Most workshop nowadays dont allow you to bring your own parts unless you know the workshop owner very well.
They usually get the blame when the part that you bought failed.
 
Have a look at the showroom forum. Read experience from people that have posted. There you can find plenty of workshops that don't mind people bringing in their own parts.
I wouldn't pay double for a part price simply because I prefer to send it to a certain 'famous' workshop. That's simply ridiculous in my book.
I only own a BMW. I don't own a bank.
 
Ken should have walked away when he was know that the price is on the high side.

My experience with Optimum was when I want to change my engine and I say that I will supply the engine.

The shop refuse and I towed the car to another workshop. No charges when I ask Jason.

I have changed my Vanos there and I am quite happy with the service.

There are many workshops out there who all claimed to be BMW specialist. Some are and some are not.

You trust them over the years with them. As for me, I am kinda of a DIY guy but I still use them for certain job.
 
jarance said:
Ken should have walked away when he was know that the price is on the high side.

My experience with Optimum was when I want to change my engine and I say that I will supply the engine.

The shop refuse and I towed the car to another workshop. No charges when I ask Jason.

I have changed my Vanos there and I am quite happy with the service.

There are many workshops out there who all claimed to be BMW specialist. Some are and some are not.

You trust them over the years with them. As for me, I am kinda of a DIY guy but I still use them for certain job.
^_^ Yes I suppose that is true, I guess its just part and parcel of BMW ownership, I've still got so much more to learn haha!


wideawake said:
Have a look at the showroom forum. Read experience from people that have posted. There you can find plenty of workshops that don't mind people bringing in their own parts.
I wouldn't pay double for a part price simply because I prefer to send it to a certain 'famous' workshop. That's simply ridiculous in my book.
I only own a BMW. I don't own a bank.
I agree with that statement!! hmm, thinking back on why I chose Optimum in the first place, I guess their name pop up quite frequently in this forum. As I wasn't familiar with any BMW workshops at all, I only chose the one that the majority of members have visited before. But now it's clear to me, that was a safe but wasn't the best decision :) .
 
Ken Ng said:
^_^ Yes I suppose that is true, I guess its just part and parcel of BMW ownership, I've still got so much more to learn haha!



I agree with that statement!! hmm, thinking back on why I chose Optimum in the first place, I guess their name pop up quite frequently in this forum. As I wasn't familiar with any BMW workshops at all, I only chose the one that the majority of members have visited before. But now it's clear to me, that was a safe but wasn't the best decision :) .
Ken..I like this statement, it is very honest & true indeed...now you learned a thing or two about owning a bmw.. :) as a reminder to you, watch out for another "popular" workshop in this club...its not even safe to go there!
 
I could suggest bomin auto @ jalan Ipoh, john is very friendly & always offers advice,
u can bring your own parts for him to get it installed, but there is no warranty. his pricing for me is considered average, but at least cheaper than other
so-called BMW specialist. don't worry bout spare parts as he has a spare part shop just next to his workshop.

I had very bad experience with HERITAGE @ PJS 1 Petaling Jaya, do not ever go there, the boss will chop u like hell.
 
Yes Bomin Auto is second on my list only because of it's distance from my place, will plan to check out that place soon.

Yeah I read about your ATF oil etc at Heritage and that helped me cross them out from my list, thanks bro :67: .

I guess I'm also going through the same experience as you did before huh? ^_^
 
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