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Message: <blockquote data-quote="joecool" data-source="post: 310533" data-attributes="member: 9320">mr. cartoon, are you from Ultra racing? mind tell us how does your company's  lower bars for front or rear provides any additional reinforcement or strengthening to the car, i have seen and even drove a fellow friend's minicooper s with all the lower bars and braces from your company, and i can tell there is no before or after difference or improvement at the sepang track? the only thing different may be the extra rattling he hears in the car, so he wants to return them, can he??:top:can i  challenge you with the bar designs specific to the e60. how can they strenghtern the front and rear section of the chassis when the bars itself is attached to the subframe which they are both a isolated unit from the chassis. besides all  the point of attachment are all weak and flimsy. the bars are not even torqued to provided any form of strengthening to the chassis, and as what others like dave who is a structural engineer have commented on the design which is totally wrong, i too can only conclude and concur with them that they are merely flimsy cosmetic add-ons that serves no purposed. please provide your input.</blockquote>