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Message: <blockquote data-quote="chrischy" data-source="post: 348971" data-attributes="member: 5">Sayang la, I read the thread in UDMO and had a good laugh! But the thread was locked before I can say anything. Why is he bringing up all those past? Just because he wanted to be recognised as a"Founding Member"? What is his intention of doing that? To get recognition is just on the surface, what does he really want? A pat in shoulder, a well done greet, to get back at others, then I think that is not nice.If he wants to be remembered as the Founding member, can I claim to be the Founding Founder of the Founding Members? After all I was the earlier person who has contacted BMW Club International Council. What for? I am happy just to be able to contribute to a community who enjoys the same passion for BMW cars. What I get from it is the wonderful friendship and knowledge I gain from you guys. There are more new members who had contributed more than me now, in the BMW Club Malaysia. Why don't we recognise them too? If Chester wants the glory, then rightly it is the credit of a collective members who had made it a reality, it was never a 1 man effort. Give credit where credit is due, I will recognise Chester as the person who has contributed a forum platform to kick start this community, because BMW Club International Council had laid down certain conditions in order for them to grant us the official use of the BMW logo and to be recognised as the official BMW Club under their umbrella. So, initially we have to garner enough membership in order to convince BCIC that we have the members to form a club. Then only we can form legally a club under ROS.I was glad to be mentioned in the forum as one of the contributing member, but whether the club wants to recognise me as one of the founding member, it is entirely up to the club committee, but to be called a member, I am also happy. My philosophy in life is this, it doesn't matter what your title is, people will know who contributes what at the end. As for the 'siew pau' advertisement in the forum. Here's the condition laid by BCIC, we are given the free rights to use the BMW logo, and form our own club logo with the roundel, comes with a heavy responsibility. BMW protects their logo and brand name fiercely because  the brand is the one that market the cars as a high performance premium quality vehicles, that does not compromise on quality. And BCIC clearly spells out those conditions in their letter saying that the club should be used for commercial means other than for the benefits of the club and club member. It is not a profitable organisation but a profitable club to benefit the members. Whether it is advertisement or not, they have to be governed by the rules and regulations spelled out by BCIC. Anything that contravenes their branding policy will be asked to be removed, otherwise the club logo and BMW logo and the official title will be asked to be removed. They even have the right to take legal action on the club if those privilege is found to abused. Remember, it is a privilege given by BMW, that's why the club is able to print a limitless number of t-shirts and merchandizes for its club and members. But we must comply to their policy. How can we accept a 'siew pau' advertisement? If the forum is owned by Chester, fine, that is his right, and the money goes to him, but that kind of decision will not be allowed because BMW Malaysia is constantly monitoring the club activities to safeguard the brand name of BMW. Furthermore, that moment, it was the 'proving' moment for us to start a new club, how can we make such a silly mistake in putting one of those ad in?I am not asking for a fight but just putting my point of view as Chrischy sees it. I see a collective group of members (including Chester) to play a part in forming this club. But since he didn't comply with the club policy, and the rest of the founding members formed a new site, it is technically entirely new apart from Chester's defunct forum. He can be the founding member of bmwclub.com.my but I don't think he can rightly claim as a founding member in BMWclubmalaysia.comCan you imagine if he continues to be the 'Founding member' in our official club with a single person's decision making process? You will likely to get a legal letter with an injunction from the court to stop all privileges given. So you can be founding member, granted but are you leaving a legacy in this club or a load of issues? So, better to form a new club than to re-educate. The club belongs to the members, not an individual. Presidents come and go. That's life. There are so many US presidents that I don't even bother to remember, I just want the current one to learn all the mistakes and not to repeat them and run the country and the world wisely.So Chester if you are reading this, nothing personal, just want to put things in my perspective, so that the history doesn't get 'rewritten' like in the school text books.Just my 2 cents.chrischy</blockquote>

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