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Message: <blockquote data-quote="f8." data-source="post: 107815" data-attributes="member: 923">most people will know the quality issues with proton. of the difficulties in getting the easy stuff simply done right. and sometimes, if you can't get the basics right then you shouldn't be too adventurous with frills.but in carrying the nation's pride as the national car maker, perhaps some has gotten into proton so it becomes difficult for them to measure themselves by listening to customers.ultimately, a really hard knock by reality played out in time may be just the medicine needed, as is slowly unraveling in MAS. all shall have their turn.i believe a single hard but effective knock can move a heavier rock than several gentle taps.</blockquote>