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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Schwepps" data-source="post: 248297" data-attributes="member: 3592">You have a point peanut, but I would agree with E46F. He's said they're not as tough and robust, and things fail and cost a few grand each time to replace. Yes, it's mostly the electronics that are very sensitive, but if they can't be robust by their very nature, then they shouldn't be included in the cars until they are. If they are included, then the manufacturers should acknowledge that they are not robust yet and should charge replacement costs without R&D component, ie, they should charge very little.  The actual component cost of electronics is very small. A large percentage is development cost, and a large part of profits is from sale of proprietary spare parts.We also cannot deny that car bodies are not what they used to be. Even Merc doors crumple in if you lean on them, let alone BMWs. All signs of the times...lighter cars, higher fuel efficiency, larger economic scale, bigger profits. It's just too bad. We can't have everything.</blockquote>