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Message: <blockquote data-quote="danc" data-source="post: 167404" data-attributes="member: 2441">1+2=3,There is no power increase for the face lift 3.0 accord. 240 ps and 287 Nm has  been available since day one. Only the 2.4 engine has increased its bhp and torque, everything else on the 3.0 is the same except now the facelift has stability control while the pre facelift 3.0 only had traction control.KL2DC,Agree with you, no brainer that the manual will have the slushbox for breakfast. I believe I read some where that on average the auto torque converter saps 20-25% of power.Hmm, manual accord shifts better than the BM. Well, never had the chance to drive a manual 3.0 VTEC before let alone the manual 3.0 accord coupe version. Heard that it's pretty populor in US, right?Anyway when it comes to gear box, my dream gear box is the VW DSG. It's so sweet, fast and just makes you weep with joy everytime to go through the gears. Tested when I drove the latest Golf GTi. Even the BMW SMG II is not even close. Has anyone seen the DSG compared to a standard manual on paultan's website, it's in Jap but very funny and interesting to see the DSG beat the standard manaul.Cheers</blockquote>