Does Redline "Water Wetter" really works???

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Redline "Water Wetter" Does it really work? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Does it work? I cannot give a conclusive answer to that question. But I like "Water Wetter" and have been using it in all of my cars for many years now. What I can say with conviction is that the person who wrote Redline's Technical Information brochure on "Water Wetter" knew what he or she was talking about. I have a Ph.D. in Heat Transfer and have taken a graduate course in Boiling and Condensation. Based on my training I can say that Redline's explanation of their product makes good scientific sense. First we must dispel a common misconception: "Water Wetter" is not designed to lower your car's bulk coolant temperature. So if you put it in your E30 M3 hoping to see lower operational coolant temp's, then you will probably be disappointed. "Water Wetter" is designed to reduce hot spots in your cylinder head. It does this by reducing the build-up of water vapor in any superheated areas. The bad thing about having hot spots in your cylinder head (read combustion chamber) is that they can promote pre-ignition - definitely a bad thing. This harks back to Smokey Yunick's theory of "soft combustion chambers". Any sharp edges in your combustion chamber (around valve seats for example) may tend to get very hot (even red hot) during operation. These areas of the combustion chamber can then form local hot spots in the cooling passages. Thus, even though your bulk coolant temperature is well below its boiling point (i.e. your gauge reads just fine), there may be localized boiling in some regions of the coolant tract. This localized boiling can cause a layer of water vapor to form over the hot spot. This vapor forms an insulative blanket and prevents heat from leaving this area, thus making the hot spot even worse. But reducing the surface tension of the water makes it easier for vapor bubbles to leave the surface of the cylinder head and allows the bubbles to convect heat away from the area. Something that changes the surface tension of a liquid is called a "surfactant". It does not take very much surfactant to significantly change the surface tension of water. Hence, you do not need to add very much "Water Wetter" in order for it to do its job. An additional benefit of using "Water Wetter" (in conjunction with 100% water) in you cooling system is that water has an extremely high heat capacity. Thus a gallon of 100% water can carry more heat away from you engine than an equivalent gallon of 50/50 water and coolant. Water also has a high thermal conductivity which increases the convection of heat away from the coolant passage walls and into the free stream of the liquid flowing through the passages. "Water Wetter" does not increase the boiling point of water. Standard automotive coolant does increase the boiling point of the mixture above that of 100% water. But remember that if your cooling system is operating properly, it should never get hot enough to boil (I mean BOIL, not just localized boiling). Raising the boiling point of the coolant in passenger cars is primarily a safety measure, so that if the cooling system is over stressed (climbing a hill on a hot day with AC on), it will not boil over. On performance cars the primary duty of the cooling system is to keep the engine in its optimum temperature range. This is best accomplished with 100% water, because its high heat capacity makes it very efficient at transferring heat. Performance cars often run relatively high cooling system pressures. This also raises the boiling point of the coolant. But the high system pressure is not used to avoid boiling so much as to allow the engine to operate at a higher temperature for reasons of efficiency. A higher cooling system bulk temperature also allows the use of a smaller radiator (there is a greater driving force to transfer heat from the coolant to the free stream air). Take a look at the E30 M3's "tiny" radiator and you will see what I mean.
 
Wa, you surfing about E30M3 only ah..no need to work!

Water wetter does work, I have tried it albeit a cheaper brand by AROX which I think its pretty similar to RedLine's Water wetter but at less than half the price. Redline stuff is easily available (Autobags) and Arox stuff at Sunway.

Al
 
Lidat can I borrow your e30 and experiment whether my own "water wetter" formula works in your 320i?? I think sure can remove heat faster since "I took a lot of herbal tea" :lol: :lol:
 
To quote ur thots Alvin, "Thus a gallon of 100% water can carry more heat away from you engine than an equivalent gallon of 50/50 water and coolant", so r u saying that it's better to just run the radiator with a water wetter & plain water?
 
2 cents, the article which alvin posted is true. THIS IS ALSO ANOTHER MYTH, that water coolant works for your car in a country with tropical climate like Malaysia.

FYI, water coolant (this is misleading to the consumers) is also known as Anti-Freeze (this is more appropriate) in the US. It helps to prevent the radiator from freezing and hence crack during the severe winter season.

I have never ever used coolant in my radiator, just a bottle of water wetter which also helps to prevent rust from forming.

Al
 
2cents

You definately need water as the main with a mixture of water wetter. There is a guideline on the box if you buy the redline one for the ratio. You should never use coolant 100% as it will harm your radiator & parts of the cooling system. As for whether 100% water or 50/50 water/coolant its stated in the article below that its not to reduce the temp gauge but for efficiency of dissipating heat. How? does it works? Like below to prevent vapour build up at hot spots. This is mainly for those who are performance oriented & pushes their cars or races.
For example, in the kart championship the radiator of the rotax 125cc engine is sealed to prevent usage of water wetter. Officials will actually test the water in the radiator. Especially for racing it does help. Cost is not high so i think its worth a try. Then you can judge the effectiveness of it. If for daily normal driving then i think the stock BMW coolant should be sufficient. But then again it cost almost the same.

Not sure about the ratio for Albundy's in-body herbal tea water wetter though. :p
 
A side effect of the coolant or antifreeze is "antiboil". Actually it just raises the temp of boiling water.
 
Originally posted by Alvin@Jan 17 2005, 01:50 PM
2cents

You definately need water as the main with a mixture of water wetter. There is a guideline on the box if you buy the redline one for the ratio. You should never use coolant 100% as it will harm your radiator & parts of the cooling system. As for whether 100% water or 50/50 water/coolant its stated in the article below that its not to reduce the temp gauge but for efficiency of dissipating heat. How? does it works? Like below to prevent vapour build up at hot spots. This is mainly for those who are performance oriented & pushes their cars or races.
For example, in the kart championship the radiator of the rotax 125cc engine is sealed to prevent usage of water wetter. Officials will actually test the water in the radiator. Especially for racing it does help. Cost is not high so i think its worth a try. Then you can judge the effectiveness of it. If for daily normal driving then i think the stock BMW coolant should be sufficient. But then again it cost almost the same.

Not sure about the ratio for Albundy's in-body herbal tea water wetter though. :p
I'm not sure if it's my e30 ride, but coming into KL city after travelling for abt half-hr from PJ, I notice the m20 engine response is always sluggish esp. in mid-day jams. Presently, I have the usual BMW coolant in my radiator.
I've also noticed my m20 engine runs best abt. 1 graduation b4 TDC on the temp.gauge. But I don't experience dis problem with the previous Japanese cars I've owned/ driven. Obviously by the time I run smack in2 the jam the guage hits the TDC mark.
I do only average suburban driving (no jack rabbit starts r racy dares) but I suspect my engine needs an improvement inits cooling system (I'm using my Japanese car ownership experiences as benchmark here).
Have any of youse guys ever noticed this general difference between u rides & Japanese cars? :blink:
 
Cause:
Hot air. Cant help much unless you move to a colder country.
 
Originally posted by Alvin@Jan 17 2005, 05:50 AM
2cents

You definately need water as the main with a mixture of water wetter. There is a guideline on the box if you buy the redline one for the ratio. You should never use coolant 100% as it will harm your radiator & parts of the cooling system. As for whether 100% water or 50/50 water/coolant its stated in the article below that its not to reduce the temp gauge but for efficiency of dissipating heat. How? does it works? Like below to prevent vapour build up at hot spots. This is mainly for those who are performance oriented & pushes their cars or races.
For example, in the kart championship the radiator of the rotax 125cc engine is sealed to prevent usage of water wetter. Officials will actually test the water in the radiator. Especially for racing it does help. Cost is not high so i think its worth a try. Then you can judge the effectiveness of it. If for daily normal driving then i think the stock BMW coolant should be sufficient. But then again it cost almost the same.

Not sure about the ratio for Albundy's in-body herbal tea water wetter though. :p
Aiya, last time when go to skool neber study properly, go and play spider, guli and pok-kiu...now dunno how it works :p :p

First thing first, higher boiling temperature does not means its good for the engine. If you want to raise the boiling temp, just sprinkle some salt! Here, as the article mentioned, is the rate heat is being discharge from the radiator, in layman's term with water wetter, the same amount of water can store more heat and hence can discharge it at a faster rate. HOW? They accomplish this by reducing the water's surface tension, well can always do a simple experiment. Notice how the water droplets looks like on a well polished bonnet (esp with Meguiars hehehe)..its looks oval but still in a droplet shape. The water's surface tension is the force holding it in its form. Now if you mix some water with water wetter, and sprinkle it on the same bonnet, the droplet should look less "oval" and more flat due to the lesser water surface tension force.

I tried the water wetter, noticed my electric fan doesnt switch on that often.

Rgds
 
Psst Alvin...& my other 125 brudders - I heard it helps on the Rotax too......I have not tried it though and cannot vouch for the suitability on Aluminium parts of the engine.....

It's illegal for the races....be warned.
 
It should be alright on the aluminium engines (since mine is aluminium too), in fact its supposed to protect the engine, preventing rust and corrosion.

Hmm...do they check your radiator liquid??? By the way, Redline water wetter is red in color (like SIRAP) while the Arox wetter is blue-ish.
 
does WW work as advertised? you bet!

would i recommend it? no. simply because there are other products out there which perform up to 90% of WW, last longer, are less harsh and cheaper.

i had been on WW for the longest time but noticed one problem with WW: it leaves deposits in ur water system. these deposits cld possibly cause more friction in ur waterpump causing premature failure. the effects of WW also seems to wear out rather quickly which means u need to flush fairly often. not worth it considering the steep price.

am now on Toyota Long Life coolant. cheap, doesnt leave deposits, cools nearly as well as WW and - as the name suggests - lasts a whole lot longer.

just my 2 cents.

redd
 
Originally posted by ALBundy@Jan 17 2005, 02:24 AM

Aiya, last time when go to skool neber study properly, go and play spider, guli and pok-kiu...now dunno how it works :p :p

If water boils, steam is generated - higher pressure on hoses and radiator and other bits. Temperature, of course does damage, so does the higher pressure from steam. Could damage the joints in the radiator system.

Hopefully, your radiator cap works and allows the steam to escape. Too much steam - less water - hotter engine - even less water - burnt engine.
 
Itchy fella, if the water in your cooling system is boiling, then your car is overheating leow! Depending on the type of thermostat you use, the water temp is usually around 88-90 degree Celsius.
 
Originally posted by ALBundy@Jan 17 2005, 08:14 PM
Itchy fella, if the water in your cooling system is boiling, then your car is overheating leow! Depending on the type of thermostat you use, the water temp is usually around 88-90 degree Celsius.
If the thermostat fails, I would rather have the water in my radiator boiling later, rather than sooner.
 
If your thermostat fails, it doesnt matter anymore as the temperature rises quite dramatically, whether its 100 C or 150C, you will be screwed anyway :D
 
Originally posted by ALBundy@Jan 17 2005, 05:33 AM
It should be alright on the aluminium engines (since mine is aluminium too), in fact its supposed to protect the engine, preventing rust and corrosion.

Hmm...do they check your radiator liquid??? By the way, Redline water wetter is red in color (like SIRAP) while the Arox wetter is blue-ish.
I see...YES, they do...at least in theory and not too hard to see...SIRAP colour versus plain water.....then DNF!
 
Is Redlines water wetter the way to go? It really depends on how you drive people. Do you drive hard or track it? thats the question you gotto ask yourself.

As for karting, yes they do check your radiator.

Jules

I heard from WL at city karting that it does help in races, but sure dnf wan. :lol: Maybe we can try this week. ;)
 
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