Hi, I started to fond of BMW car recently. I'm looking for a car with the following characteristic:-i) Good handling :- confident and safe enough to tackle corner and the older single lane road i.e Kuala Selangor or hill climbing like Genting.ii) Decent acceleration - should be able to overtake confidently in most condition ( Don't expect like a M3/M5 with
325i e46 or E90 electronic reliability
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The 325 e90 m sport handles nicely. As for power, I find it lacking. On a Genting run you will see it lacks the grunt when trying to exit corners with a VW Golf GTi. But I find the handling to be better than the Golf or Scirocco, stock v stock ok. Consumption is slightly high but not absurb.
A Scirocco TSI with chip will really blast the e90 325. My friend did his Roc up and I can see the difference. At Sepang the Roc would exit corners with gusto. What to do, they have a turbo charger. E90's engine can't push out more power ad its almost maxed out.
The parts for an e46 is relatively much cheaper than the e90. As you say the e46 is old now amd a lot of care and attention will be required to nurse it back to life unless you find a gem of a car.
I opted for the e90 and not the f30 bcos I felt that the e90 is more sporty and may age better than the f30. F30 has the rich man look, just like the f10.
Sensor wise, its about luck. Here we seen e90 brake sensors kaput after a mere 70k. It happens. Not always but it can. With an Audi you may get one where the engine drinks oil, with VW you may get one with a lot of probs too BUT VW has a 5 year warranty unlike BMW.
If money is no issue, go with the e90. Then throw in a set of H&R ARBs and you will love the handling.
A Scirocco TSI with chip will really blast the e90 325. My friend did his Roc up and I can see the difference. At Sepang the Roc would exit corners with gusto. What to do, they have a turbo charger. E90's engine can't push out more power ad its almost maxed out.
The parts for an e46 is relatively much cheaper than the e90. As you say the e46 is old now amd a lot of care and attention will be required to nurse it back to life unless you find a gem of a car.
I opted for the e90 and not the f30 bcos I felt that the e90 is more sporty and may age better than the f30. F30 has the rich man look, just like the f10.
Sensor wise, its about luck. Here we seen e90 brake sensors kaput after a mere 70k. It happens. Not always but it can. With an Audi you may get one where the engine drinks oil, with VW you may get one with a lot of probs too BUT VW has a 5 year warranty unlike BMW.
If money is no issue, go with the e90. Then throw in a set of H&R ARBs and you will love the handling.
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Yes all the chics are so impressed, and asked what car is this?
Even myself have not experienced with the speed of climbing
to other questions..
No car is 100% reliable, if you want relatively reliable, buy Camry, they use old technology but proven to be relatively solid!
Buy 2nd hand car you are ready to pay the repair duty! No one can answer your question precisely. Even my new car also masuk kilang tiga kali.....but free of charge.
if you afraid of repair cost, buy new car with 3 years BSRI. Mine one comes with 5 years BSRI, see I also afraid of repair...My ex-car sold because of too many parts kong in one year.
Even myself have not experienced with the speed of climbing
to other questions..
No car is 100% reliable, if you want relatively reliable, buy Camry, they use old technology but proven to be relatively solid!
Buy 2nd hand car you are ready to pay the repair duty! No one can answer your question precisely. Even my new car also masuk kilang tiga kali.....but free of charge.
if you afraid of repair cost, buy new car with 3 years BSRI. Mine one comes with 5 years BSRI, see I also afraid of repair...My ex-car sold because of too many parts kong in one year.
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COme to the dark side...The E90 320d Msport Club...Powerkit plus vector/DTUK plus pedalbox plus 19 inch rims plus performance tyres plus BBK plus antiroll bars plus Pipercross plus peformance exhaust....
Then u will have a E90 M3d...
Horsepower half of M3, handling near to M3, but more torque than M3...!
Fuel consumption 2 to 3 times better than M3 at least...!
Then u will have a E90 M3d...
Horsepower half of M3, handling near to M3, but more torque than M3...!
Fuel consumption 2 to 3 times better than M3 at least...!
jwah, may I know which model is giving you problem? If your previous car is a used one ?
May I know what sort of problem? minor electronic problem or some major problem i.e engine oil leak etc?
I don't want a car that sit in the workshop more than I drive it. What's the point of having it and most of the time driving a backup car?
I've gone thru the E90 maintenance cost. Seems like most of the repair is just oil change or at most normal wear and tear item which in term of cost looks like still okay for me.
I've yet to see the repair cost >rm5000 or to >rm10000.
Thus I'm thinking, if I get the mechanic to check it out and the owner/dealer could provide me a full service record then the maintenance is not really a problem.
Let me know if my thought is valid or not. Let say I get a E90 i.e 4-5yrs old, once I've fixed the normal wear and tear, let say worse case 5-15k, then there's not more huge bill in say few years.
As for the 320D suggestion, there's not much unit in Mudah. I heard that due to a lower diesel grade in malaysia, they've took out the filter from the diesel engine to enable the 320d to use our diesel.
Thus in the long run, we won't be sure what will happen to the engine. And would that be the reason not much ppl getting it?
And I don't see an AP for 320D as well ( correct me if you guys has lobang for it).
Now come back to my problem.
Let say I get a good condition 6yr old e90 325i. does an estimated 7k per year allocated for maintenance is good enough? say in 1 yr i clocked aroung 10k km?
May I know what sort of problem? minor electronic problem or some major problem i.e engine oil leak etc?
I don't want a car that sit in the workshop more than I drive it. What's the point of having it and most of the time driving a backup car?
I've gone thru the E90 maintenance cost. Seems like most of the repair is just oil change or at most normal wear and tear item which in term of cost looks like still okay for me.
I've yet to see the repair cost >rm5000 or to >rm10000.
Thus I'm thinking, if I get the mechanic to check it out and the owner/dealer could provide me a full service record then the maintenance is not really a problem.
Let me know if my thought is valid or not. Let say I get a E90 i.e 4-5yrs old, once I've fixed the normal wear and tear, let say worse case 5-15k, then there's not more huge bill in say few years.
As for the 320D suggestion, there's not much unit in Mudah. I heard that due to a lower diesel grade in malaysia, they've took out the filter from the diesel engine to enable the 320d to use our diesel.
Thus in the long run, we won't be sure what will happen to the engine. And would that be the reason not much ppl getting it?
And I don't see an AP for 320D as well ( correct me if you guys has lobang for it).
Now come back to my problem.
Let say I get a good condition 6yr old e90 325i. does an estimated 7k per year allocated for maintenance is good enough? say in 1 yr i clocked aroung 10k km?
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sold one is the honda accord.
Diesel they removed the DPF, because it will fill up the filter very quick with our Diesel 2m grade. Diesel engine is more reliable than petrol, you can see those datuk lori still running. If you are in Klang valley , lot of 320d and 520d, now most 5 series sold are 520d. Because when ever you try it, it just slam your head...What the hack of this car is? If you read our forum you can see 88 members that owned this 320d and smile happily!
Let me give you some figures
0-100km/h 7.0s
1 full tank RM100 55L , city 700-800km, highway 1000km, Extreme save 1250km (tested)
HP 200bhp (powerkitted)
Torque 420NM, please check how much is the petrol version..
M sport
Now not much in Mudah, because very few owner want to sell it. However you can buy from AB, Quill, Premium Selection (used) unit and give you some years warranty!
7k per year for BMW is too slim. You need to change tyres every 8 months, tyres will cost you RM1550x2 , RM1100x2. These machines eat tyres like no tomorrow.
Brother , 1 year clocked around 10k, buy new Camry. Free of mind!
BMW machine is not for sitting there. You need to drive it , it is an Ultimate Driving Machine, especially the 3 series. If you don't drive it, battery kong RM1000, alternator kong RMxxxx. No car that is free of service, it is based on your luck. Also it is a Banyak Makan Wang ....
Don't trust me, just go to AB Glenmarie (they have a better road to test drive). Ask the agent to give you a spin. No worry, BMW agent very afraid if you don't test the car, because once you drive it you dead!
Diesel they removed the DPF, because it will fill up the filter very quick with our Diesel 2m grade. Diesel engine is more reliable than petrol, you can see those datuk lori still running. If you are in Klang valley , lot of 320d and 520d, now most 5 series sold are 520d. Because when ever you try it, it just slam your head...What the hack of this car is? If you read our forum you can see 88 members that owned this 320d and smile happily!
Let me give you some figures
0-100km/h 7.0s
1 full tank RM100 55L , city 700-800km, highway 1000km, Extreme save 1250km (tested)
HP 200bhp (powerkitted)
Torque 420NM, please check how much is the petrol version..
M sport
Now not much in Mudah, because very few owner want to sell it. However you can buy from AB, Quill, Premium Selection (used) unit and give you some years warranty!
7k per year for BMW is too slim. You need to change tyres every 8 months, tyres will cost you RM1550x2 , RM1100x2. These machines eat tyres like no tomorrow.
Brother , 1 year clocked around 10k, buy new Camry. Free of mind!
BMW machine is not for sitting there. You need to drive it , it is an Ultimate Driving Machine, especially the 3 series. If you don't drive it, battery kong RM1000, alternator kong RMxxxx. No car that is free of service, it is based on your luck. Also it is a Banyak Makan Wang ....
Don't trust me, just go to AB Glenmarie (they have a better road to test drive). Ask the agent to give you a spin. No worry, BMW agent very afraid if you don't test the car, because once you drive it you dead!
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Both about the same. Both also drive by wire with valvetronic feature which cost a bit if motor rosak. e90 handling improvement is much better than e46 due to the redesigned front lower arm. also less lower arm problem. Its after all an Ultimate Driving Machine.. get the newest variant your wallet can afford. You won't regret it. Unless you get a lemon.
jwah, I don't know Honda accord is giving a lot of trouble . Looks like Japanese car is reliable is not entirely true.
For me I've driven the new Accord 2.4 before and the dashboard is not of my liking. it's not really a driver's car. And that's why I looked into continental path.
That's a good figures considering is not a V6. My thought is 320d series is just an entry level like the petrol and even if the acceleration is good, maybe when it cross to >150kmh. it start to slow down.
That mean, 320D maintenance is a lot cheaper than 325i?
And those selling of in Mudah, most likely they face some problem which couldn't be resolve or not economical to resolve?
The RFT need to change every 8mths regardless of the mileage?
So the myth the bmw car eat brake pad, disc brake, tyres is true after all and it's not really a design fault?
BTW, I've checked a used 325i unit. Looks like the dealer has replaced a 4 RFT with normal tyre ( can't recall what brand maybe is bridgestone). Maybe he want to sell the RFT and replaced it with a cheapo tyre?
As for the high cost of RFT, I read from the forum I can replace it with normal tyre ( but still get a performance tyre rather than a plain goodyear tyre) directly right? And that would bring down the maintenance cost. Would that will last for few yrs to come?
As for the battery, i read from the forum it has average lifespan of 6yrs.
I'll used it as a daily commuter, but my travel distance is not so much. Thus it wont be a weekend car. Jwah, that would still reduce the lifespan of the battery, tyre etc?
BTW, I've tested the volkswagen Jetta and Passat. I'ven't used to driven a car faster than 9sec (0-100kmh). The test drive route is short and I'm unable to accelerate >110 for long. At max 100kmh for a while. I've tested the cornering.
The sound insulation is better than Civic but I still can hear wind noise and tyre noise. Road holding and cornering is much better than Civic.
But that's just my brief experience with VW. I dont think I could have a chance to test the 325i (e90 or e46). Thus compare to jetta/passat, what would I miss out?
Is both german car handling is almost the same?
And would a new jetta/passat maintenance is a lot less than a good condition 325i ( either e46 or e90) or even the 320D?
These two cars has a lot of electronics as well.
But for me both car design looks a bit dated compare to E90.
I love to drive. My worries is that my passion to drive would be burned out my the hefty maintenance bill for a bimmer ( even it's a good condition once, or even the wear and tear part for a 5-6yrs car has been done)
And if let say I get those VW, maybe initially I'd be happy since it's still better than the civic/accord, but after a while I'd be regret of not getting the bimmer.
I think maybe for the 1st 5 yrs ( since it got 5 yrs warranty), I won't feel the pain, but right after the warranty, with many parts due for replacement, I'd feel the maintenance bill is almost the same,being it a typical German car?
Lastly, my thought like get a good condition E90 325i prepare to fork out a huge sum of money for few yrs to restore it to orginal condition i.e 20-30k initially to replace the wear and tear is not really work?
. Looks like Japanese car is reliable is not entirely true.For me I've driven the new Accord 2.4 before and the dashboard is not of my liking. it's not really a driver's car. And that's why I looked into continental path.
That's a good figures considering is not a V6. My thought is 320d series is just an entry level like the petrol and even if the acceleration is good, maybe when it cross to >150kmh. it start to slow down.
That mean, 320D maintenance is a lot cheaper than 325i?
And those selling of in Mudah, most likely they face some problem which couldn't be resolve or not economical to resolve?
The RFT need to change every 8mths regardless of the mileage?
So the myth the bmw car eat brake pad, disc brake, tyres is true after all and it's not really a design fault?
BTW, I've checked a used 325i unit. Looks like the dealer has replaced a 4 RFT with normal tyre ( can't recall what brand maybe is bridgestone). Maybe he want to sell the RFT and replaced it with a cheapo tyre?
As for the high cost of RFT, I read from the forum I can replace it with normal tyre ( but still get a performance tyre rather than a plain goodyear tyre) directly right? And that would bring down the maintenance cost. Would that will last for few yrs to come?
As for the battery, i read from the forum it has average lifespan of 6yrs.
I'll used it as a daily commuter, but my travel distance is not so much. Thus it wont be a weekend car. Jwah, that would still reduce the lifespan of the battery, tyre etc?
BTW, I've tested the volkswagen Jetta and Passat. I'ven't used to driven a car faster than 9sec (0-100kmh). The test drive route is short and I'm unable to accelerate >110 for long. At max 100kmh for a while. I've tested the cornering.
The sound insulation is better than Civic but I still can hear wind noise and tyre noise. Road holding and cornering is much better than Civic.
But that's just my brief experience with VW. I dont think I could have a chance to test the 325i (e90 or e46). Thus compare to jetta/passat, what would I miss out?
Is both german car handling is almost the same?
And would a new jetta/passat maintenance is a lot less than a good condition 325i ( either e46 or e90) or even the 320D?
These two cars has a lot of electronics as well.
But for me both car design looks a bit dated compare to E90.
I love to drive. My worries is that my passion to drive would be burned out my the hefty maintenance bill for a bimmer ( even it's a good condition once, or even the wear and tear part for a 5-6yrs car has been done)
And if let say I get those VW, maybe initially I'd be happy since it's still better than the civic/accord, but after a while I'd be regret of not getting the bimmer.
I think maybe for the 1st 5 yrs ( since it got 5 yrs warranty), I won't feel the pain, but right after the warranty, with many parts due for replacement, I'd feel the maintenance bill is almost the same,being it a typical German car?
Lastly, my thought like get a good condition E90 325i prepare to fork out a huge sum of money for few yrs to restore it to orginal condition i.e 20-30k initially to replace the wear and tear is not really work?
I was looking for a VW at first. I tested the Golf GTi, Passat, Passat CC, Scirocco and the EOS. Frankly, in terms of handling, they are all no where near the e90 325 m sport. However, what I do like in a VW is the 5 year warranty and the turbo engine.
VW handles light, that is how I describe it. Almost, like a Japanese car. Each brand has its pros and cons. All depends on what you want.
VW handles light, that is how I describe it. Almost, like a Japanese car. Each brand has its pros and cons. All depends on what you want.
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End of the day, your money your choice.
My priority is a fun car in the corners, not necessary the fastest or most powerful. Economical to run and ease in maintenance when in comes to parts availability and workshop know-how.
Your priority might be different.. with an M3 budget, I would most probably end up getting a GTR35, sports car for the dummy, my driving skill not good mar... :4:
My priority is a fun car in the corners, not necessary the fastest or most powerful. Economical to run and ease in maintenance when in comes to parts availability and workshop know-how.
Your priority might be different.. with an M3 budget, I would most probably end up getting a GTR35, sports car for the dummy, my driving skill not good mar... :4:
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I think your heart bias to be a Bimmer. Get the BMW, but be minded that these machines are not cheap to maintain. You can use the non rft tyre which will cost you around RM3200.00 for non rft 325i 18", However you need to buy the mobility kit as this e90 doesn't come with a spare tyre. RFT is just nice, I have once puncture at highway, the system told me you can drive at 80km/h at a distance of 150km to repair. 325i drink petrol like hell but you rewarded an engine noise. E90 full of electronic and all connected... go to test it in AB Glenmarie, 325i and 320d and ask the agent to taxi drive you. 325i is just half of the feel of 320d! it is how I got my 320d. If you buy performance tyres will last 20k only
but you rewarded an engine noise. E90 full of electronic and all connected... go to test it in AB Glenmarie, 325i and 320d and ask the agent to taxi drive you. 325i is just half of the feel of 320d! it is how I got my 320d. If you buy performance tyres will last 20k onlytIANcI, golf GTi being 0-100km/h in 6.9s and a harder suspension still couldn't beat 325i? That's quite awesome.
Same goes with the wider and lowered scirocco.
Yes, me too. At least 5yrs worries free; but another worries is I might be regretted and miss the fun of the bimmers once I get use to the VW.
I want to have a good handling car, fun to drive yet would not give me a surprise in term of maintenance. You know it's kinda hard to convince the internal auditor for this
That's why I wanted to know the average and the max maintenance(estimated worst case) for the e90 and e46 325i. And I'm not the kind of ppl who mod the car heavily. I'd rather get the stock one with the power I want.
Thanks for the note, tIANcI.That's means most of them are using EPS,right? I knew in term of lightness, Honda City is the worst. And the Civic also very light and I just don't like the interior, it's like a spaceship and not really a driver's car (it's just a personal opinion)
astroboy, yes as for me too.I don't need a car that can do 0-100kmh in
Same goes with the wider and lowered scirocco.
Yes, me too. At least 5yrs worries free; but another worries is I might be regretted and miss the fun of the bimmers once I get use to the VW.
I want to have a good handling car, fun to drive yet would not give me a surprise in term of maintenance. You know it's kinda hard to convince the internal auditor for this
That's why I wanted to know the average and the max maintenance(estimated worst case) for the e90 and e46 325i. And I'm not the kind of ppl who mod the car heavily. I'd rather get the stock one with the power I want.
Thanks for the note, tIANcI.That's means most of them are using EPS,right? I knew in term of lightness, Honda City is the worst. And the Civic also very light and I just don't like the interior, it's like a spaceship and not really a driver's car (it's just a personal opinion)
astroboy, yes as for me too.I don't need a car that can do 0-100kmh in
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320d we got it installed the BMW performance powerkit and it turns to another monster! That is why the 0-100km/h to 7.0s . Even without the kit Whenever you push the car to sport mode DS mode...the car become alive, fuel consumption still no change! that is the best of the machine. The F10 520d and F30 320d also use the same engine! Therefore, the best is E90 320d. 325i e46 too old, but still you get the same DNA.
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Bro Merced88, dont think too much and too long.U might end up not buying a car at all...!
Then it will be too late, once the last batches of E90 have all been taken up...
The new F30 I heard lots of people say handling not as good as E90, due to the very light steering and soft suspension. Even my friend, who is also an SA in Quill hates the F30 and prefers the E90, unless later down the years the MSport Version comes out...But it had 8 speed transmission, so it translates to smoother acceleration and better FC than our E90...
But I still prefer E90 looks cos more sporty and looks less uncle than F30....Mine also has 5 years/100000km BSRI, 2 years parts warranty, similar to Jwah's. Bought at a bargain price at RM220k plus for a preregistered car at Quill (mileage only 136km!). The new F30 will be circa Rm260k BSRI onli 3 years/ 60000km...
No GPS for I-Drive, onli basic radio...Ours have full specs I-Drive (last batch 0f 2011) with GPS and everything
Do u know that the 320d with powerkit and plus vector (a tuning box) century sprint can achieve 6.4s (0-100km/hr) if you really floored it all the way from standstill. I have personally tried it and its true... May be if I perfect the launching skills might achieve shorter time...! Thats BMW 335i or 535i territory! Other cheaper japanese cars that can achieve that will be civic type r or Mazda MPS but they are FWD cars, with horrible FC! The RWD handling of the E90 chassis is superb for a sports sedan with practical 4 doors and a boot. (dont compare la with other out and out sports cars like GTR, M3, RS5, porsche, Ferrari, lamborghini etc). Plus its FC is as good as a japanese 1.3 cc car. Even my wife's toyota vios has poorer FC.
Maintenance wise, heck even I have to fork out RM300 to RM400 for the vios service few months back, change oil, alignment etc..Vios also has problems lar..No car is totally perfect...Vios front left tyre always seem to lari its alignment dont know y, according to many vios owners.
The onli cons about 320d Msport is its slightly firm suspension (slightly uncomfortable for passengers when u tekan, but more shiok to the driver!) and out of breath at top speed end (230km/hr plus)...
Then it will be too late, once the last batches of E90 have all been taken up...
The new F30 I heard lots of people say handling not as good as E90, due to the very light steering and soft suspension. Even my friend, who is also an SA in Quill hates the F30 and prefers the E90, unless later down the years the MSport Version comes out...But it had 8 speed transmission, so it translates to smoother acceleration and better FC than our E90...
But I still prefer E90 looks cos more sporty and looks less uncle than F30....Mine also has 5 years/100000km BSRI, 2 years parts warranty, similar to Jwah's. Bought at a bargain price at RM220k plus for a preregistered car at Quill (mileage only 136km!). The new F30 will be circa Rm260k BSRI onli 3 years/ 60000km...
No GPS for I-Drive, onli basic radio...Ours have full specs I-Drive (last batch 0f 2011) with GPS and everything
Do u know that the 320d with powerkit and plus vector (a tuning box) century sprint can achieve 6.4s (0-100km/hr) if you really floored it all the way from standstill. I have personally tried it and its true... May be if I perfect the launching skills might achieve shorter time...! Thats BMW 335i or 535i territory! Other cheaper japanese cars that can achieve that will be civic type r or Mazda MPS but they are FWD cars, with horrible FC! The RWD handling of the E90 chassis is superb for a sports sedan with practical 4 doors and a boot. (dont compare la with other out and out sports cars like GTR, M3, RS5, porsche, Ferrari, lamborghini etc). Plus its FC is as good as a japanese 1.3 cc car. Even my wife's toyota vios has poorer FC.
Maintenance wise, heck even I have to fork out RM300 to RM400 for the vios service few months back, change oil, alignment etc..Vios also has problems lar..No car is totally perfect...Vios front left tyre always seem to lari its alignment dont know y, according to many vios owners.
The onli cons about 320d Msport is its slightly firm suspension (slightly uncomfortable for passengers when u tekan, but more shiok to the driver!) and out of breath at top speed end (230km/hr plus)...
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Bro Merced88, dont think too much and too long.U might end up not buying a car at all...!
Then it will be too late, once the last batches of E90 have all been taken up...
The new F30 I heard lots of people say handling not as good as E90, due to the very light steering and soft suspension. Even my friend, who is also an SA in Quill hates the F30 and prefers the E90, unless later down the years the MSport Version comes out...But it had 8 speed transmission, so it translates to smoother acceleration and better FC than our E90...
But I still prefer E90 looks cos more sporty and looks less uncle than F30....Mine also has 5 years/100000km BSRI, 2 years parts warranty, similar to Jwah's. Bought at a bargain price at RM220k plus for a preregistered car at Quill (mileage only 136km!). The new F30 will be circa Rm260k BSRI onli 3 years/ 60000km...
No GPS for I-Drive, onli basic radio...Ours have full specs I-Drive (last batch 0f 2011) with GPS and everything
Do u know that the 320d with powerkit and plus vector (a tuning box) century sprint can achieve 6.4s (0-100km/hr) if you really floored it all the way from standstill. I have personally tried it and its true... May be if I perfect the launching skills might achieve shorter time...! Thats BMW 335i or 535i territory! Other cheaper japanese cars that can achieve that will be civic type r or Mazda MPS but they are FWD cars, with horrible FC! The RWD handling of the E90 chassis is superb for a sports sedan with practical 4 doors and a boot. (dont compare la with other out and out sports cars like GTR, M3, RS5, porsche, Ferrari, lamborghini etc). Plus its FC is as good as a japanese 1.3 cc car. Even my wife's toyota vios has poorer FC.
Maintenance wise, heck even I have to fork out RM300 to RM400 for the vios service few months back, change oil, alignment etc..Vios also has problems lar..No car is totally perfect...Vios front left tyre always seem to lari its alignment dont know y, according to many vios owners.
The onli cons about 320d Msport is its slightly firm suspension (slightly uncomfortable for passengers when u tekan, but more shiok to the driver!) and out of breath at top speed end (230km/hr plus)...
Then it will be too late, once the last batches of E90 have all been taken up...
The new F30 I heard lots of people say handling not as good as E90, due to the very light steering and soft suspension. Even my friend, who is also an SA in Quill hates the F30 and prefers the E90, unless later down the years the MSport Version comes out...But it had 8 speed transmission, so it translates to smoother acceleration and better FC than our E90...
But I still prefer E90 looks cos more sporty and looks less uncle than F30....Mine also has 5 years/100000km BSRI, 2 years parts warranty, similar to Jwah's. Bought at a bargain price at RM220k plus for a preregistered car at Quill (mileage only 136km!). The new F30 will be circa Rm260k BSRI onli 3 years/ 60000km...
No GPS for I-Drive, onli basic radio...Ours have full specs I-Drive (last batch 0f 2011) with GPS and everything
Do u know that the 320d with powerkit and plus vector (a tuning box) century sprint can achieve 6.4s (0-100km/hr) if you really floored it all the way from standstill. I have personally tried it and its true... May be if I perfect the launching skills might achieve shorter time...! Thats BMW 335i or 535i territory! Other cheaper japanese cars that can achieve that will be civic type r or Mazda MPS but they are FWD cars, with horrible FC! The RWD handling of the E90 chassis is superb for a sports sedan with practical 4 doors and a boot. (dont compare la with other out and out sports cars like GTR, M3, RS5, porsche, Ferrari, lamborghini etc). Plus its FC is as good as a japanese 1.3 cc car. Even my wife's toyota vios has poorer FC.
Maintenance wise, heck even I have to fork out RM300 to RM400 for the vios service few months back, change oil, alignment etc..Vios also has problems lar..No car is totally perfect...Vios front left tyre always seem to lari its alignment dont know y, according to many vios owners.
The onli cons about 320d Msport is its slightly firm suspension (slightly uncomfortable for passengers when u tekan, but more shiok to the driver!) and out of breath at top speed end (230km/hr plus)...
Merced ... I am talking in the handling department, not acceleration. I did try the F10, but felt the steering is weird. It's great for town driving but just not my cuppa tea for spirited driving. Still, many probably can adapt. It's just a personal preference issue.
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Acceleration is mainly depending on torque, but once a certain speed is reached that's when horsepower comes into play as well. And horsepower will determine the top speed of the car. So in between it is a combination of both. Diesel cars have higher torque but relatively lower hp (due to the low red line, usually below 5000rpm), and hence it has good acceleration but the top speed is generally lower than a petrol car of similar cubic capacity.
For 320d having 0-100km/h at only 7.0s, it has to do with the horse power and torque curve. The 320d runs out of breath at about 3500-4000 rpm, while the petrol engine is still going strong at that range up to 5500rpm. If you look at the graph/chart, the total area below the curve would be reflect this (bigger area).
For a daily driver, the 320d is also a good car as most of the time traffic conditions only allows us to drive between 2000-3500 rpm range
For 320d having 0-100km/h at only 7.0s, it has to do with the horse power and torque curve. The 320d runs out of breath at about 3500-4000 rpm, while the petrol engine is still going strong at that range up to 5500rpm. If you look at the graph/chart, the total area below the curve would be reflect this (bigger area).
For a daily driver, the 320d is also a good car as most of the time traffic conditions only allows us to drive between 2000-3500 rpm range
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Vector and sprint booster are illegal to dealer !!!! I don't dare to install it. Powerkit already destroy the belt , tensioner and pulley
quot from SilverBullet:
For 320d having 0-100km/h at only 7.0s, it has to do with the horse power and torque curve. The 320d runs out of breath at about 3500-4000 rpm, while the petrol engine is still going strong at that range up to 5500rpm. If you look at the graph/chart, the total area below the curve would be reflect this (bigger area).
It is not direct comparison with the rpm. Because Diesel at 4000 rpm already at it top horsepower (200hp), whilst petrol car may be at its 60% of it top horsepower. Therefore you really feel the push for the diesel model.
quot from SilverBullet:
For 320d having 0-100km/h at only 7.0s, it has to do with the horse power and torque curve. The 320d runs out of breath at about 3500-4000 rpm, while the petrol engine is still going strong at that range up to 5500rpm. If you look at the graph/chart, the total area below the curve would be reflect this (bigger area).
It is not direct comparison with the rpm. Because Diesel at 4000 rpm already at it top horsepower (200hp), whilst petrol car may be at its 60% of it top horsepower. Therefore you really feel the push for the diesel model.
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