Honda City VTEC Vs. Toyota Vios (G)

[dumeort]

Hello Bros & Sis,

I'm finding new car for my gf and stuck between this 2 models. Can anyone share your opinions and why?

Both cars price are about the same.

Horsepower are about the same.

sigh ........

[initialM]

Bro,

Get yr GF a bimmer:D

[theCROW]

never been in vios yet
but from my bare naked eyes..vios kinda..small.

[flash]

My pick? Vios.:D If I had not got the Bimmer, I wud have got a Toyota.:rolleyes:

As for the City, ok alsolah but don't quite like the looks... looks as if the car got crushed in from the front and back....:D but damn, it feels bigger inside the City....

Ok, ok, City then, no no, the Vios.... ** click **

But seriously, end of the day, better let your gf choose... she's gonna drive the car anyway....;)

[fabianyee]

I think the City would fare better on fuel consumption especially if it's the i-DSI.
And the City has CVT and not an auto gearbox.

However, looks wise, the vios looks better from the outside but for interior space, the City wins hands down. even the boot space looks big compared to the bimmer.

[ehoe]

I had to make the same hard choices a while back, wifey wanted to buy either City or Vios as well. In the end got the City coz it was a lot more spacious inside with a huge boot and foldable rear seats. Of course there are other factors as well like CVT, Steermatic, EPS (Electric power steering), free 2 year service, etc but the one other deciding factor for me at that time was the honda dealer gave me better trade in $$ for the existing car.

Exterior wise the Vios wins the looks department here hands down but ultimately the car needs to be practical too so I guess it really depends on what is your buying criteria. If you are after performance then I think the Vios feels slightly faster coz it is a lighter car but the City VTEC can match its pace without any problems. Only thing is with CVT it does sound like the engine is very draggy but in actual fact the acceleration is pretty decent. Suggest you go test drive both cars and bring along 4 adults to cramp into both cars, then you'll see the difference. :-)

[wglee]

I have test driven both the City 1.5 IDSI and the Vios 1.5G when they were first launched. I can still remember that the City had better NVH qualities than the Vios. Overall, I found the City a more pleasant car to drive than the Vios. I felt that the City has better ride comfort and refinement compared to the Vios. In this regard, there should not be any significant difference with the City VTEC.

Pick-up for both the City 1.5 IDSI and the Vios 1.5G are about the same - I think the figures quoted by Honda and Toyota for the 88bhp City 1.5 IDSI and the 110bhp Vios 1.5 respectively for the 0-100km/h dash are the same ie. 11.5 seconds. Presumably the 110bhp City 1.5 VTEC would be quicker.

The City 1.5 IDSI's torque peaks at only 2700 rpm and that should translate to good low to mid range torque delivery, and thus good in-gear acceleration. If I'm not mistaken both the Vios and City VTEC's torque peak is above 4000rpm.

In terms of space, the City is much better than the Vios - at slightly above 6 ft tall I couldn't fit into the rear seat of the Vios. I could, in the City.

Looks are subjective. I'd say that the Vios looks better than the City in an innocuous and bland sort of way; I think the better way to describe it is that the Vios looks more conventional compared to the City but the City's unusual looks may well make it a classic a few decades from now - see what happened to weird but charming cars like the Citroen DS, CX and 2CV, the original VW Beetle, the Renault 4, the Fiat 500 and 600, etc! But in things which matter more, the City has the edge.

[supergripen]

a guy from TOVA did a few timed 0-60 runs on various Hondas including the Jazz VTEC nad i am assuming the City VTEC would show similar results.btw,he was using G-Tech Pro for measurements..

Jazz VTEC 0-60 timed at 8.8secs..but,there is a technique to follow to get that figure.if u simply put the CVT in 'D' and bury the throttle pedal,u'd probably get 10s flat.FYI the CVT has 5 selectable modes(D,S,L,7speed auto mode and finally the 7speed sequential tiptronic thingy).the technique used shall remain with TOVA members but i just want to point out that 8.8s is possible.

top speed is not a strong point tho as the VTEC maxes out at 180kph in standard form.for such a tall and small bodied car,i think that is sufficient.

had my Jazz VTEC for almost 11000kms now and am loving every minute of it..less visits to Petronas/Shell and its no slouch either!! i'm sure the City VTEC will give similar pleasures to its owners.

[dumeort]

Hi guys, thanks for all the opinions .... I just test drive both cars.

As the result, honda seem to be smoother on the road. Maybe the 7 gear give better feeling. If we look at the book, toyota vios have 109hp while honda city vtec 110hp. But to my opinion, vtec is better in horsepower.

At the same time, if i would have choose vtec, petrol cosumption is much higher compare to IDSI. The sad thing is i not yet have a chance to test drive the IDSI model. The two showroom i visited only have vtec to test drive.

As for the toyota vios, the outlook is more 'long lasting'. More 'acceptable'. But I'm not pretty happy with inside. The whole car seem to be higher than honda city. Not to make it exaggerating, it's something like driving lorry. Engine sound also louder.

Therefore .... still thinking.

Maybe borrow her my bimmer first. ( Siao meh !?!?!?! )

[Zoggee]

I love both cars...

The City looks like a bang tree car ah!...but spacious.
The Vios I hate the speedometer...why in the hell in the middle???

both good daily car for its class.

[supergripen]

The Vios I hate the speedometer...why in the hell in the middle???


yeah..exactly.i hate the way the interior looks in the Vios especially the centrally mounted instruments pod.FUGLY..

and the 4-speed auto.. 4-speed??? damn..no one uses them anymore in a brand new car.Toyota has got to better with the Vios..much more.

[initialM]

Bro,

Both my brothers drive City IDSI and Vios. If u wan to save petrol go for it but driving feel like sitting in a boat. Yesterday I test drive satria neo stereng feel not bad oso. emmm.... didn't drive long and fast due to short distance. Dun let yr GF borrow yr bimmer she might want one for herself too:p

[E46Fanatic]

The mid range torque and power if better for the Vios than the City/Jazz Vtec. BUt overall, high end power mated with the CVT gearbox will see the Jazz/City Vtec comfortably out run a Vios from the stop lights (0-60 8.3 - 8.8 secs). Check out asia.vtec.net for the techniques.

I've done a few stop light sprints with the Wifey's Jazz... Very fun to see the faces of people when I out run them, as the car doesn't look very quick to begin with hehe

[supergripen]

The mid range torque and power if better for the Vios than the City/Jazz Vtec. BUt overall, high end power mated with the CVT gearbox will see the Jazz/City Vtec comfortably out run a Vios from the stop lights (0-60 8.3 - 8.8 secs). Check out asia.vtec.net for the techniques.

I've done a few stop light sprints with the Wifey's Jazz... Very fun to see the faces of people when I out run them, as the car doesn't look very quick to begin with hehe

ha!! u saw the article too huh?? good trick to have don't you think.. u won't believe the cars that i've blown away in my puny Jazz..hehehe.

[Zoggee]

yeah..exactly.i hate the way the interior looks in the Vios especially the centrally mounted instruments pod.FUGLY..

and the 4-speed auto.. 4-speed??? damn..no one uses them anymore in a brand new car.Toyota has got to better with the Vios..much more.

but the Singaporean Corolla 1.5 is much nicer then our version here.( Vios)

But still the Vios and the City are good cars.

[fabianyee]

ha!! u saw the article too huh?? good trick to have don't you think.. u won't believe the cars that i've blown away in my puny Jazz..hehehe.

Read the technique used, pretty easy to execute... CVT is what made it works.

[wglee]

A lot of foreign magazines do the 0-100km/h test for automatic cars by using the same method - stomp on the brake pedal and gas pedal at the same time and then release the brakes at the optimum rpm say 4000rpm.

[fabianyee]

A lot of foreign magazines do the 0-100km/h test for automatic cars by using the same method - stomp on the brake pedal and gas pedal at the same time and then release the brakes at the optimum rpm say 4000rpm.
that is correct but non-CVT gearbox can't maintain rev at 6300rpm after the initial launch at 1st gear mah... The trick with the CVT was that once it almost touched redline on first gear, the transmission mode was changed to CVT mode, hence it is able to keep the rev at just before redline and let the CVT works it way to 60mph. even in a manual box, once you upshift at redline, the rev would drop to about 5000rpm (from 6500rpm, or thereabout)

[supergripen]

A lot of foreign magazines do the 0-100km/h test for automatic cars by using the same method - stomp on the brake pedal and gas pedal at the same time and then release the brakes at the optimum rpm say 4000rpm.

well its a little bit more than just that..but u've got half of it right.

all in all,i can say that the technology that Honda has put in their small wonder is nothing short of astonishing.add interior space and practicality when using the Ultraseat feature,u have a winner.

shape wise,i think the City will age better.hell,give it a lowering and a set of forged 16x7s,u'll transform the shape..

[dumeort]

Bro,

Both my brothers drive City IDSI and Vios. If u wan to save petrol go for it but driving feel like sitting in a boat. Yesterday I test drive satria neo stereng feel not bad oso. emmm.... didn't drive long and fast due to short distance. Dun let yr GF borrow yr bimmer she might want one for herself too:p

That's I need to find her either one. She starts to say beemer not bad. Sigh.

[dumeort]

looks like city much preferred here. But dunno why the toyota salesman told me in the market they when they sell 3 vios and honda only sell 1 city. Like city always behing vios.

[E46Fanatic]

well its a little bit more than just that..but u've got half of it right.

all in all,i can say that the technology that Honda has put in their small wonder is nothing short of astonishing.add interior space and practicality when using the Ultraseat feature,u have a winner.

shape wise,i think the City will age better.hell,give it a lowering and a set of forged 16x7s,u'll transform the shape..

Te best mod I did to the wifey's Jazz Vtec is a set of Eibach Prokits. Japan CBU Jazz Vtecs sit slightly higher than Thai CBU Jazz Vtecs as the tom yam version we now have has undergone some mods by Honda Racing Thailand (HRT), which include ride height, intake etc. Latest facelift City Vtecs also have mods/improvements done by HRT which includes handling, intake and gear ratios. You'll find that mid range torque is improved in HRT Vtecs vs. the orig batch of Japan CBU Vtecs, but top end power favors the first batch of Japan Vtecs. Pop the hood and you'll imediately notice the air filter shape differences between original batch of Japan CBU Vtecs (long rectangular) vs. Thai CBU Vtecs (squarish).

[supergripen]

Te best mod I did to the wifey's Jazz Vtec is a set of Eibach Prokits. Japan CBU Jazz Vtecs sit slightly higher than Thai CBU Jazz Vtecs as the tom yam version we now have has undergone some mods by Honda Racing Thailand (HRT), which include ride height, intake etc. Latest facelift City Vtecs also have mods/improvements done by HRT which includes handling, intake and gear ratios. You'll find that mid range torque is improved in HRT Vtecs vs. the orig batch of Japan CBU Vtecs, but top end power favors the first batch of Japan Vtecs. Pop the hood and you'll imediately notice the air filter shape differences between original batch of Japan CBU Vtecs (long rectangular) vs. Thai CBU Vtecs (squarish).

good info bro..i didn't know that.thnx..

i've also installed Eibach Pro-Kits and also a set of forged Sparco 16" superlight alloys.everything else is standard at the moment..ICE and LED tail lamps will be next.now wife complaining that the alloys are small..she wants bigger but i don't fancy 17"s cuz its gonna destroy the ride,handling balance and also performance of the car.so i guess the LEDs will come first to improve the exterior just to divert her attention from the alloys.

[initialM]

now wife complaining that the alloys are small..she wants bigger but i don't fancy 17"s cuz its gonna destroy the ride,handling balance and also performance of the car.so i guess the LEDs will come first to improve the exterior just to divert her attention from the alloys.

Thank god ur wife into mods. If I were u just swap wt the 17" wt some contribution from her:D hehehe

[wglee]

well its a little bit more than just that..but u've got half of it right.

I'm merely repeating what the magazines say. Pray tell, what is the half that I missed or got wrong?

OK, I forgot to mention "engage D". :D

[supergripen]

I'm merely repeating what the magazines say. Pray tell, what is the half that I missed or got wrong?

OK, I forgot to mention "engage D". :D

here ya go..

http://asia.vtec.net/Reviews/JazzVtec/index.html

its quite lengthy as it covers every single fact about the Jazz..City will be quite similar.for the technique used,scroll down to TIMED PERFORMANCE CHECKS..pretty interesting read.

enjoy!

[E46Fanatic]

good info bro..i didn't know that.thnx..

i've also installed Eibach Pro-Kits and also a set of forged Sparco 16" superlight alloys.everything else is standard at the moment..ICE and LED tail lamps will be next.now wife complaining that the alloys are small..she wants bigger but i don't fancy 17"s cuz its gonna destroy the ride,handling balance and also performance of the car.so i guess the LEDs will come first to improve the exterior just to divert her attention from the alloys.

I was thinking of swapping the original tailight with the new LEDs as well. The problem with our Jazz now is that its red in color and the current brake light is not bright enought as a contrast to the color of the car for blurr people to notice. The car has gotten 2 minor bumps to the rear so far because of this. The LEDs are much brighter and bigger for brake lights vs the original design. I inquired the Honda dealer in 222 during my last service and its Rm408 per pc excluding install. You can find 3rd party look alikes for cheaper (I think 650++ per pair) but they dont seem as bright to me compared to the original honda LEDs. I''m gonna find some time one of these days to go straight to Lim Hup Seng Honda parts along Jalan Ipoh to find out the price and buy directly from them instead of the dealer.

[dumeort]

Are we still on the topic or not ? :)

[supergripen]

I was thinking of swapping the original tailight with the new LEDs as well. The problem with our Jazz now is that its red in color and the current brake light is not bright enought as a contrast to the color of the car for blurr people to notice. The car has gotten 2 minor bumps to the rear so far because of this. The LEDs are much brighter and bigger for brake lights vs the original design. I inquired the Honda dealer in 222 during my last service and its Rm408 per pc excluding install. You can find 3rd party look alikes for cheaper (I think 650++ per pair) but they dont seem as bright to me compared to the original honda LEDs. I''m gonna find some time one of these days to go straight to Lim Hup Seng Honda parts along Jalan Ipoh to find out the price and buy directly from them instead of the dealer.

there are quite a few designs to choose from now if u include aftermarket ones..thing is,the quality of these non-original items are vague at best.but the guys at the Fit/Jazz Club have no complaints so far..

i'm kinda going towards the silver LED tail lights to suit the overall look of the car which is white with silver alloys.