hartge H27 in E21

[eau-rouge]

if im using hartge h27 in my e21,do i have to change the:

brakes
suspension

stuff like that...

[joe_myinc]

bro :D
change japan engine-lah
SR20, 1JZ, RB20, VR4 also can :nyehehe:
if need more power 7M can go in also :aggressive:
JPJ problem-lah
but, transmission must go in together

maintenance is more easy and save-ma :rolleyes:
i see one in Batu Pahat
E30 put in 7M engine
cool man B)

BMW if u touch it <_<
All talk about money :getyourfactsright:

[eau-rouge]

at first,i was thinking to plonk SR20..

they said that it will have some problem later on..

thats why i cancel it

[fabianyee]

keep it standard...
when u 'upgrade' sure got problem cos car old aledi.. unless u restored everything in the process....

[Jipster]

Originally posted by fabianyee@Mar 2 2006, 09:36 PM
keep it standard...
when u 'upgrade' sure got problem cos car old aledi.. unless u restored everything in the process....
But fabe's ..... a h27 in an e21!..... shouldnt he at least upgrade the brakes and suspension?

Anyway, the age of the car is a factor to consider. Perhaps instead of upgrading you should refurbish/replace those bits to make sure they are as close to 100% as possible.

Congrats on securing a H27 for yr ride. How does it perform?

[eau-rouge]

what is the hp for these engines

Hartge H27 and m42b18

[fabianyee]

Originally posted by Jipster+Mar 3 2006, 10:40 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Jipster @ Mar 3 2006, 10:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-fabianyee@Mar 2 2006, 09:36 PM
keep it standard...
when u 'upgrade' sure got problem cos car old aledi.. unless u restored everything in the process....
But fabe's ..... a h27 in an e21!..... shouldnt he at least upgrade the brakes and suspension?

Anyway, the age of the car is a factor to consider. Perhaps instead of upgrading you should refurbish/replace those bits to make sure they are as close to 100% as possible.

Congrats on securing a H27 for yr ride. How does it perform? [/b][/quote]
I mean keep the standard engine lah.... no extreme upgrades watsoever for a car that age...

[joe_myinc]

Of course-lah
anything not only car modify must be problem

so, if 'mahu lain daripada yang lain'
so, modify-lah

very engine must it problem <_<

if u just drive slow B)
don't change it-loh
keep it standard in good condition

if u away speed :ph34r:
modify 1JZ is better
twin turbo

very powerful engine :aggressive:

[eau-rouge]

its better to use bmw engine in bmw car rite??

[joe_myinc]

BMW engine in BMW body sure in better

have u see BMW engine in Toyota
have u see MB engine in Nissan
why?

why many Toyota engine in BMW
why people use Toyota engine in Jaguar

all about money-ma :getyourfactsright:

BMW is very good car B)
but, maintain it not easy :getyourfactsright:

[eau-rouge]

last time my friend using RB20 in his E30

every month his car is in the workshop

repair here,there,everywhere..

scarry...hehe

[ichiwan2]

Originally posted by eau-rouge@Mar 3 2006, 10:20 AM
if im using hartge h27 in my e21,do i have to change the:

brakes
suspension

stuff like that...
You had better do it. If not, then I will call you a BLOODY FOOL!

Hope I am not too subtle.

As Pirelli catch phrase says, POWER IS NOTHING WITHOUT CONTROL

You could kill yourself and others in your path to destruction when you lose control.

The FIRST THINGS you must do BEFORE upgrading the engine are UPGRADE BRAKES AND SUSPENSION (INCLUDING ALL BUSHES, MOUNTINGS ETC)

[eau-rouge]

haha..

which braking system should i use then?

323i?E30?E28?

[-berq-]

the chief has spoken...i've nothing much to say..i've no xperience in this field.sorry bro..

[joe_myinc]

keep it original-lah

if engine dead
change used once in chopshop
may be RM1k+

if another thing dead
carburater, gear box and etc
if cos in chop shop RM2k+
how to change it

buy japan half cut RM2k+
install RM 1k+
all RM 4k+

just use it.
more two year
sold the car

live is like that

[ichiwan2]

There are many ways. You can probably fit almost any strut into the e21 with some modification (which could be major or minor). Ideally, find yourself an abandoned e21 3231, take the front struts and the rear trailing arms and disc brake assembly, refurbish and install.

You may have to replace the discs (RM120 - RM130 each, front and rear). Check that the caliper pistons are in good condition (i.e., not corroded/seized) and have them serviced. Alternatively, use Girling 4pot calipers from Volvo 240 (RM1000 a pair - brand new; al lot cheaper - used) Requires some modification.

Change your brake booster to the one from the e28 - minor knocking on tyre well and cutting and welding booster mounting.

Suspension - I like H&R. You could do a group buy with -berq-

People who have been in my car can tell you how my ride feels.

[-berq-]

joe,
fyi,the car is bought brand new,been with his family for a long time,so,i dun think selling it is an option for him,his ori solex carb kenot use oredi..

a few days back breakdown oso,thats why he's searching for a new heart..

but keeping it original got my vote... :D ,

btw,eau-rouge,buy joe's car la..nice,classy ride..hehehe

[eau-rouge]

thanks for the info chief..

[-berq-]

yup...ichi's ride feels better than my mother's e46 which is 20 yrs younger than the e46...
IMO,do make a list of option of what u want to do with ur car,then check with sifus bout ur options n then proceed with ur projects...if not,u will encounter a lot of probs along the way..

[joe_myinc]

Wah :D
so, many E21 sifu :P

i still belong E21 owner B)
any body looking my E21 :blink:
haha

eau-rouge
keep it ori-lah
or change it like this

[ichiwan2]

Don't forget to get better wheels and tyres. Berq has chosen well. Follow his lead.

[-berq-]

hahaha,joe,sempat racun lagi...haha
jay,hav u asked teejay bout the h27?

[eau-rouge]

not yet..have to discuss with..u know who lar..hehe

[eau-rouge]

nice :D

[joe_myinc]

haha :D

i still E21 owner-ma B)
try our best <_<
racun it :blink:

how about this

[-berq-]

ok then,anything update bro,would like to see the outcome of this thread.. :D
bout the engine,do contact teejay as i've no connections on this engine(h27) matter.

[-berq-]

got sum info:

engine transplant (http://www.e21bmw.net/graymarket/library/swap.php#overview)


another one (http://www.geocities.com/tim_donovan32/engine.html?20063)

[ichiwan2]

http://www.birdsauto.com/parts-database/.....E3011270810.pdf (http://www.birdsauto.com/parts-database/..%5C..%5C1-PDFs%5CE3011270810.pdf)

[nikazwaa]

Originally posted by ichiwan2@Mar 3 2006, 03:04 PM
http://www.birdsauto.com/parts-database/.....E3011270810.pdf (http://www.birdsauto.com/parts-database/..%5C..%5C1-PDFs%5CE3011270810.pdf)
ichiwan2.. you just made it sound sooo tempting.

[ichiwan2]

Cepat.. cepat... :nyehehe: :D :yahoo:

[kevster30]

Originally posted by ichiwan2+Mar 2 2006, 10:00 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ichiwan2 @ Mar 2 2006, 10:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-eau-rouge@Mar 3 2006, 10:20 AM
if im using hartge h27 in my e21,do i have to change the:

brakes
suspension

stuff like that...
You had better do it. If not, then I will call you a BLOODY FOOL!

Hope I am not too subtle.

As Pirelli catch phrase says, POWER IS NOTHING WITHOUT CONTROL

You could kill yourself and others in your path to destruction when you lose control.

The FIRST THINGS you must do BEFORE upgrading the engine are UPGRADE BRAKES AND SUSPENSION (INCLUDING ALL BUSHES, MOUNTINGS ETC) [/b][/quote]
That's why we call you sifu!

[Zoggee]

Originally posted by ichiwan2+Mar 3 2006, 12:30 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ichiwan2 @ Mar 3 2006, 12:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-eau-rouge@Mar 3 2006, 10:20 AM
if im using hartge h27 in my e21,do i have to change the:

brakes
suspension

stuff like that...
You had better do it. If not, then I will call you a BLOODY FOOL!

Hope I am not too subtle.

As Pirelli catch phrase says, POWER IS NOTHING WITHOUT CONTROL

You could kill yourself and others in your path to destruction when you lose control.

The FIRST THINGS you must do BEFORE upgrading the engine are UPGRADE BRAKES AND SUSPENSION (INCLUDING ALL BUSHES, MOUNTINGS ETC) [/b][/quote]
well said .... :yes:

[Zoggee]

Originally posted by joe_myinc@Mar 3 2006, 12:39 PM
keep it original-lah

if engine dead
change used once in chopshop
may be RM1k+

if another thing dead
carburater, gear box and etc
if cos in chop shop RM2k+
how to change it

buy japan half cut RM2k+
install RM 1k+
all RM 4k+

just use it.
more two year
sold the car

live is like that
No pun intended.... B)


Its easier said then done. :)

[teejay]

so i say something here?


nope i think eau-rouge will have to decide himself, i aint gonna say anything, but just cant resist.........



read ichiwan's reply 5 times first.......loudly!!

then do some research and please do ride in ichi's

[ichiwan2]

Before you put in the Hartge H27 engine you should, at minimum, have this:

Front
http://e21.tricord.be/members/ichiwan2/Girling%20Calipers%20prepainting.jpg

This is what it looks like mounted:

http://e21.tricord.be/members/ichiwan2/Girling%20mounted.JPG
http://e21.tricord.be/members/ichiwan2/Girling%20mounted2.JPG
http://e21.tricord.be/members/ichiwan2/GirlingWheelMounted2.JPG

Rear
http://e21.tricord.be/members/ichiwan2/reardisc.JPG
http://e21.tricord.be/members/ichiwan2/RearCalipersWheelMounted2.JPG

[eau-rouge]

volvo 240?

[teejay]

Originally posted by ichiwan2@Mar 4 2006, 11:42 AM
Before you put in the Hartge H27 engine you should, at minimum, have this:

Front
http://e21.tricord.be/members/ichiwan2/Girling%20Calipers%20prepainting.jpg

This is what it looks like mounted:

http://e21.tricord.be/members/ichiwan2/Girling%20mounted.JPG
http://e21.tricord.be/members/ichiwan2/Girling%20mounted2.JPG
http://e21.tricord.be/members/ichiwan2/GirlingWheelMounted2.JPG

Rear
http://e21.tricord.be/members/ichiwan2/reardisc.JPG
http://e21.tricord.be/members/ichiwan2/RearCalipersWheelMounted2.JPG
wah.....
itu racun very colourful wan.....

better brakes and suspension will be better.

its better to have excess of safety measures, but it can be incorporated in stages

the engine shud b ready 2 b planted by next week....meanwhile go get ur brakes ready this week.....

[ichiwan2]

Originally posted by eau-rouge@Mar 4 2006, 12:17 PM
volvo 240?
Yup.

[eau-rouge]

E30 disc can fit in?

[teejay]

suggest you pm ichiwan for further and detailed modifications on the brakes/suspension........or can ichiwan post a full and complete detail modification for others to drool......

[-berq-]

ichi got too much on the mod list...cabutz... :ph34r:

[ichiwan2]

Originally posted by eau-rouge@Mar 4 2006, 09:16 PM
E30 disc can fit in?
Don't think so, but I could be wrong. However, the e30 caliper will fit onto the e21 323i trailing arms with minor modification.

[ichiwan2]

FYI, this is where I got the info about the Girling 4pot caliper upgrade for the e21.

Bimmerforums Caliper Upgrade Post (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3572374#post3572374)

In the write-up, they mention the e12 brake booster/servo. Unfortunately for RHD e21s, the servo is located just behind the RHS head lights. The LHD e21s had their brake booster on the LHS and right against the firewall. So, AFAIK, only the e28 servo may fit the RHD models.

Other interesting discussions on brakes:

Brake upgrade (http://bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=393182&highlight=volvo+brake+conversion)