Lighting alternatives

[c-square]

Yesterday I was browsing through the displays at the car lighting section at Eunos (1-Utama) and I noticed that besides the HIDs, there are also many light bulbs that look like the HIDs but at a fraction of the cost. They go from about RM50 per pair to about RM400 and they looked like the plug-and-play type.
Now I am confused of all these lighting options and is hoping if you experts out there could "throw some light" (figuratively speaking) on this.
Many thanks.

[tyke]

dude...these after market lights r usually good for a couple of months and then ur in the dark :lol:
its better to just get hid.
i used to use the mega watt bulbs too but they frequently blew on me.
best bet is to ask kevster or tom and they will info u the right way.
btw...ur amount of posts isnt a very good number huh?...444?haiyo, u better reply to me or else something down there might go 444 on u when u need it the most(to perform lah)! :lol:
kidding dude
brad

[c-square]

Originally posted by tyke@Feb 2 2005, 12:48 AM
dude...these after market lights r usually good for a couple of months and then ur in the dark :lol:
its better to just get hid.
i used to use the mega watt bulbs too but they frequently blew on me.
best bet is to ask kevster or tom and they will info u the right way.
btw...ur amount of posts isnt a very good number huh?...444?haiyo, u better reply to me or else something down there might go 444 on u when u need it the most(to perform lah)! :lol:
kidding dude
brad
tyke.... thanks for pointing out the "unauspicious" number of my posting. (hahahahah) hopefully I am not too late.

So you reckon those aftermarket bulbs doesn't last and a complete waste of money?

[5201]

C-Square,
Yup... agree. Most of those cost lowly, but they perform badly too, u get what u pay for.

Also, look out for the bulb ratings on them. They can burn out yr reflectors first before they burn themselves out, i know.

So, get it done properly.

Tyke,
U so free to post yr replies today ka?? Sampai looking at other ppl's posts??

5201
(aka Steven stvchang)

[c-square]

thanks, guys :D

[tyke]

Originally posted by 5201@Feb 2 2005, 01:01 AM
C-Square,
Yup... agree. Most of those cost lowly, but they perform badly too, u get what u pay for.

Also, look out for the bulb ratings on them. They can burn out yr reflectors first before they burn themselves out, i know.

So, get it done properly.

Tyke,
U so free to post yr replies today ka?? Sampai looking at other ppl's posts??

5201
(aka Steven stvchang)
c-square...no worries mate...glad to help a fellow udm'er get the proper good quality racun mah! :lol:
y get the cheaper but brighter lites tht will blow u faster then u can b blown :lol: ;)
hope to c u at the tt on friday yeah!
steve...u can talk...ur also checking out ppls posts so tht means tht ur also 'bz'? ;)
-brad-

[c-square]

Originally posted by tyke+Feb 2 2005, 02:53 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (tyke @ Feb 2 2005, 02:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-5201@Feb 2 2005, 01:01 AM
C-Square,
Yup... agree. Most of those cost lowly, but they perform badly too, u get what u pay for.

Also, look out for the bulb ratings on them. They can burn out yr reflectors first before they burn themselves out, i know.

So, get it done properly.

Tyke,
U so free to post yr replies today ka?? Sampai looking at other ppl's posts??

5201
(aka Steven stvchang)
c-square...no worries mate...glad to help a fellow udm'er get the proper good quality racun mah! :lol:
y get the cheaper but brighter lites tht will blow u faster then u can b blown :lol: ;)
hope to c u at the tt on friday yeah!
steve...u can talk...ur also checking out ppls posts so tht means tht ur also 'bz'? ;)
-brad- [/b][/quote]
Honestly, I got no money to get the real HID, thus thinking of these cheaper alternatives to brighten my path at night. Guess it will just remained a wishful thinking :(

[XTR-1ND]

Most of us would kinda hesitate on spending a lot of money especially on lighting if there's a cheaper alternative. Majority of the manufacturers coat their bulbs with a coating of blue which acts as a filter to make the light appear whiter or even blue when they're turned on. High wattage HID look alike halogen bulbs that is rated above the average 55Watts will most likely do the following:-

1) burn out on you in no time.
2) melt your wiring harness/headlight plugs, headlight lens especially plastic ones, and in some cases reflectors.
3) coating on the bulb may peel off and cause color difference between the headlights.

The HID market nowadays is flooded with tons of aftermarket kits so make sure you do some research before investing in a set. Here's a word of advice. Purchase a kit from a reputable manufacturer and it will last you years...trouble free.
:)

[tyke]

Originally posted by c-square+Feb 2 2005, 03:42 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (c-square @ Feb 2 2005, 03:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by tyke@Feb 2 2005, 02:53 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-5201@Feb 2 2005, 01:01 AM
C-Square,
Yup... agree. Most of those cost lowly, but they perform badly too, u get what u pay for.

Also, look out for the bulb ratings on them. They can burn out yr reflectors first before they burn themselves out, i know.

So, get it done properly.

Tyke,
U so free to post yr replies today ka?? Sampai looking at other ppl's posts??

5201
(aka Steven stvchang)
c-square...no worries mate...glad to help a fellow udm'er get the proper good quality racun mah! :lol:
y get the cheaper but brighter lites tht will blow u faster then u can b blown :lol: ;)
hope to c u at the tt on friday yeah!
steve...u can talk...ur also checking out ppls posts so tht means tht ur also 'bz'? ;)
-brad-
Honestly, I got no money to get the real HID, thus thinking of these cheaper alternatives to brighten my path at night. Guess it will just remained a wishful thinking :( [/b][/quote]
c-square...dude,thts y we r in the udm club!
not all of us hav tonnes of cash but we sure as hell work hard for the betterment of our udm! ;)
dont worry...if u got contacts in japan or know any chopshop tai lo... try asking for toyota camry(2003 24v model) and ask for the ballast kit.its compatible coz its also h1(projector headlite)!
my mate got it last time for RM750 for every thing! :angry:
so dont worry dude...things will come ur way!just chill aight! ;)
-brad-

[c-square]

Originally posted by tyke+Feb 2 2005, 05:51 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (tyke @ Feb 2 2005, 05:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by c-square@Feb 2 2005, 03:42 AM
Originally posted by tyke@Feb 2 2005, 02:53 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-5201@Feb 2 2005, 01:01 AM
C-Square,
Yup... agree. Most of those cost lowly, but they perform badly too, u get what u pay for.

Also, look out for the bulb ratings on them. They can burn out yr reflectors first before they burn themselves out, i know.

So, get it done properly.

Tyke,
U so free to post yr replies today ka?? Sampai looking at other ppl's posts??

5201
(aka Steven stvchang)
c-square...no worries mate...glad to help a fellow udm'er get the proper good quality racun mah! :lol:
y get the cheaper but brighter lites tht will blow u faster then u can b blown :lol: ;)
hope to c u at the tt on friday yeah!
steve...u can talk...ur also checking out ppls posts so tht means tht ur also 'bz'? ;)
-brad-
Honestly, I got no money to get the real HID, thus thinking of these cheaper alternatives to brighten my path at night. Guess it will just remained a wishful thinking :(
c-square...dude,thts y we r in the udm club!
not all of us hav tonnes of cash but we sure as hell work hard for the betterment of our udm! ;)
dont worry...if u got contacts in japan or know any chopshop tai lo... try asking for toyota camry(2003 24v model) and ask for the ballast kit.its compatible coz its also h1(projector headlite)!
my mate got it last time for RM750 for every thing! :angry:
so dont worry dude...things will come ur way!just chill aight! ;)
-brad- [/b][/quote]
hmm... that's a damn good tip. Thanks.

[tyke]

Originally posted by c-square+Feb 2 2005, 05:56 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (c-square @ Feb 2 2005, 05:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by tyke@Feb 2 2005, 05:51 AM
Originally posted by c-square@Feb 2 2005, 03:42 AM
Originally posted by tyke@Feb 2 2005, 02:53 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-5201@Feb 2 2005, 01:01 AM
C-Square,
Yup... agree. Most of those cost lowly, but they perform badly too, u get what u pay for.

Also, look out for the bulb ratings on them. They can burn out yr reflectors first before they burn themselves out, i know.

So, get it done properly.

Tyke,
U so free to post yr replies today ka?? Sampai looking at other ppl's posts??

5201
(aka Steven stvchang)
c-square...no worries mate...glad to help a fellow udm'er get the proper good quality racun mah! :lol:
y get the cheaper but brighter lites tht will blow u faster then u can b blown :lol: ;)
hope to c u at the tt on friday yeah!
steve...u can talk...ur also checking out ppls posts so tht means tht ur also 'bz'? ;)
-brad-
Honestly, I got no money to get the real HID, thus thinking of these cheaper alternatives to brighten my path at night. Guess it will just remained a wishful thinking :(
c-square...dude,thts y we r in the udm club!
not all of us hav tonnes of cash but we sure as hell work hard for the betterment of our udm! ;)
dont worry...if u got contacts in japan or know any chopshop tai lo... try asking for toyota camry(2003 24v model) and ask for the ballast kit.its compatible coz its also h1(projector headlite)!
my mate got it last time for RM750 for every thing! :angry:
so dont worry dude...things will come ur way!just chill aight! ;)
-brad-
hmm... that's a damn good tip. Thanks. [/b][/quote]
no worries mate...glad to racun u somemore :lol:
but seriously,y not right?
i think the HID ballast set from the 2003 toyota camry has a 3500k reading too!just look out for car makes tht use the projector type headlights and recce at the chop shop...sure got one! ;)
or if u get in in japan from their chopshops its only RM350-RM500 for the lot! <_<
wish i was in japan!waaaaaaahhhhh :(
we chat further on this if ur at the tt this friday ok mate?
cheers
-brad-

[kevster30]

YOU DO THE MATH

Cheapo trendy bulbs always burn out (short lifespan) RM 10 - RM 80/pr

Premuim trendy bulbs aren't cheap (and still burnout!) RM 100 - RM 300/pr

HIDs are expensive....*sigh* RM 1k - RM 4k/set

Get a pair of cheapo ones and change them twice = should have bought the premuim brands

Get a pair of premuim ones and change them twice = you're pretty close to a set of HIDs

Get a set of HIDs and the ballast or bulbs blow = drive in daylight only as got no more money in the bank and have been disowned by family due to idiotic fetish over bulbs

[schone]

kevster30 : ha ha .. perfectly explaiend!

c_square : actually the halogens on a E46 is pretty good!! I'm quite satisfied with it,.. lights up much better then the E34 lights.

The design on the E46 normal lights are decent.. simple bulb and a large reflector.

Don't buy the fancy bulbs .. it makes the car look non OEM, and simply doesn't light up any better.

Go for the real HID .. or get clear corner lights to freshen up the looks.

[Jipster]

Originally posted by kevster30@Feb 2 2005, 09:44 AM
YOU DO THE MATH

Cheapo trendy bulbs always burn out (short lifespan) RM 10 - RM 80/pr

Premuim trendy bulbs aren't cheap (and still burnout!) RM 100 - RM 300/pr

HIDs are expensive....*sigh* RM 1k - RM 4k/set

Get a pair of cheapo ones and change them twice = should have bought the premuim brands

Get a pair of premuim ones and change them twice = you're pretty close to a set of HIDs

Get a set of HIDs and the ballast or bulbs blow = drive in daylight only as got no more money in the bank and have been disowned by family due to idiotic fetish over bulbs
fuiyoooo.......thats like some sort of mathematical equation lah....tried to disprove it but cant seem to....I'd say it stands until sum bugger design light which is cheap and actaully lasts :).......

Im on standard (non-smiley) lamps BTW.....kinda weak but it works.....

[flash]

Originally posted by Jipster+Feb 3 2005, 08:19 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Jipster @ Feb 3 2005, 08:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-kevster30@Feb 2 2005, 09:44 AM
YOU DO THE MATH

Cheapo trendy bulbs always burn out (short lifespan) RM 10 - RM 80/pr

Premuim trendy bulbs aren't cheap (and still burnout!) RM 100 - RM 300/pr

HIDs are expensive....*sigh* RM 1k - RM 4k/set

Get a pair of cheapo ones and change them twice = should have bought the premuim brands

Get a pair of premuim ones and change them twice = you're pretty close to a set of HIDs

Get a set of HIDs and the ballast or bulbs blow = drive in daylight only as got no more money in the bank and have been disowned by family due to idiotic fetish over bulbs
fuiyoooo.......thats like some sort of mathematical equation lah....tried to disprove it but cant seem to....I'd say it stands until sum bugger design light which is cheap and actaully lasts :).......

Im on standard (non-smiley) lamps BTW.....kinda weak but it works..... [/b][/quote]
After working the maths, I wud go for the el cheapo... actually I have been using el-cheapo bulbs in my other cars and they lasted for years. Could not remember when was the last time I changed them... :lol:

Somemore, they cheap enuff for you to buy spares and put them in the car... shud they blow.

[Jipster]

since we are on the topic :) (also read as...racun coming)......

what about osram silverstars?...does anybody know how much where and whether they are plug and play i.e. just swap the bulbs...osso are they reliable?

[NumberTWO]

OS(H1) costs abt 40 from PH Auto, PJ. I've been using it for the past 6 months and it's still good. It is brighter than the stock yellow but that's abt it. And yeah..it is pnp.

[Jipster]

Originally posted by NumberTWO@Feb 2 2005, 10:16 PM
OS(H1) costs abt 40 from PH Auto, PJ. I've been using it for the past 6 months and it's still good. It is brighter than the stock yellow but that's abt it. And yeah..it is pnp.
N2....cd u enlighten me H1, H2, H3...wc goes where?...fogs, mainlight, high beam lights etc...actually all this tok about white lights etc. dun turn me on...I'd rather stick to normal yellows especially fogs....they shud be yellow IMHO :)...thanks for info

[tyke]

Originally posted by Jipster+Feb 2 2005, 11:04 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Jipster @ Feb 2 2005, 11:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-NumberTWO@Feb 2 2005, 10:16 PM
OS(H1) costs abt 40 from PH Auto, PJ. I've been using it for the past 6 months and it's still good. It is brighter than the stock yellow but that's abt it. And yeah..it is pnp.
N2....cd u enlighten me H1, H2, H3...wc goes where?...fogs, mainlight, high beam lights etc...actually all this tok about white lights etc. dun turn me on...I'd rather stick to normal yellows especially fogs....they shud be yellow IMHO :)...thanks for info [/b][/quote]
heu dude...u mean u dont know wht variant goes where?
okies...to my knowledge....
H1= main lights(projector mah)
H2=its the small lights above the main light i think
H3=its for ur fog light bulb!
udm'ers,if i got it wrong then please do correct me and my apologies! :D

cheers
-brad-

[tyke]

Originally posted by tyke+Feb 3 2005, 12:00 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (tyke @ Feb 3 2005, 12:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Jipster@Feb 2 2005, 11:04 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-NumberTWO@Feb 2 2005, 10:16 PM
OS(H1) costs abt 40 from PH Auto, PJ.* I've been using it for the past 6 months and it's still good.* It is brighter than the stock yellow but that's abt it.* And yeah..it is pnp.
N2....cd u enlighten me H1, H2, H3...wc goes where?...fogs, mainlight, high beam lights etc...actually all this tok about white lights etc. dun turn me on...I'd rather stick to normal yellows especially fogs....they shud be yellow IMHO :)...thanks for info
heu dude...u mean u dont know wht variant goes where?
okies...to my knowledge....
H1= main lights(projector mah)
H2=its the small lights above the main light i think
H3=its for ur fog light bulb!
udm'ers,if i got it wrong then please do correct me and my apologies! :D

cheers
-brad- [/b][/quote]
jipster dude...oops!!!
sorry ah...i think i got it wrong with the H2 bulbs.
i think the H2 bulbs r for the hi beam!
not sure bout tht but pretty sure bout the H1 & H3!
c u at the tt in SEP 2mrw then mate!
cheers mate
-brad-

[saat]

Refer to my repost

http://bmwclubmalaysia.com/forums/index.ph...wtopic=1251&hl= (http://bmwclubmalaysia.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=1251&hl=)

[tyke]

Originally posted by saat@Feb 3 2005, 12:12 AM
Refer to my repost

http://bmwclubmalaysia.com/forums/index.ph...wtopic=1251&hl= (http://bmwclubmalaysia.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=1251&hl=)
dude...i read tht post but wht do u recommend?
wht would u advice to c-square?
as for me,i'm pretty happy at the moment with my stock jap(white surrounds on the headlights) lights and an aftermarket foglights which kinda gives my foglights a HID kinda hue too! ;)
but given the chance(and the cash),i would definately get a set of HID's!
waiting for my mate to return from kyoto with my HID's! :D :D :D
but in august though! <_<
worth the wait i say!
cheers mate
-brad-

[NumberTWO]

Originally posted by tyke+Feb 3 2005, 12:00 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (tyke @ Feb 3 2005, 12:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Jipster@Feb 2 2005, 11:04 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-NumberTWO@Feb 2 2005, 10:16 PM
OS(H1) costs abt 40 from PH Auto, PJ.* I've been using it for the past 6 months and it's still good.* It is brighter than the stock yellow but that's abt it.* And yeah..it is pnp.
N2....cd u enlighten me H1, H2, H3...wc goes where?...fogs, mainlight, high beam lights etc...actually all this tok about white lights etc. dun turn me on...I'd rather stick to normal yellows especially fogs....they shud be yellow IMHO :)...thanks for info
heu dude...u mean u dont know wht variant goes where?
okies...to my knowledge....
H1= main lights(projector mah)
H2=its the small lights above the main light i think
H3=its for ur fog light bulb!
udm'ers,if i got it wrong then please do correct me and my apologies! :D

cheers
-brad- [/b][/quote]
I think E36 is slightly different..Low/High/Fog are all H1 bulbs. B)

[tyke]

Originally posted by NumberTWO+Feb 3 2005, 01:21 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (NumberTWO @ Feb 3 2005, 01:21 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by tyke@Feb 3 2005, 12:00 AM
Originally posted by Jipster@Feb 2 2005, 11:04 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-NumberTWO@Feb 2 2005, 10:16 PM
OS(H1) costs abt 40 from PH Auto, PJ.* I've been using it for the past 6 months and it's still good.* It is brighter than the stock yellow but that's abt it.* And yeah..it is pnp.
N2....cd u enlighten me H1, H2, H3...wc goes where?...fogs, mainlight, high beam lights etc...actually all this tok about white lights etc. dun turn me on...I'd rather stick to normal yellows especially fogs....they shud be yellow IMHO :)...thanks for info
heu dude...u mean u dont know wht variant goes where?
okies...to my knowledge....
H1= main lights(projector mah)
H2=its the small lights above the main light i think
H3=its for ur fog light bulb!
udm'ers,if i got it wrong then please do correct me and my apologies! :D

cheers
-brad-
I think E36 is slightly different..Low/High/Fog are all H1 bulbs. B) [/b][/quote]
really?didnt know tht!thanx for the info chief :D
but was i right for the e30?
cheers
-brad-

[NumberTWO]

taiko tyke...
wa hmm zai wor.. I can only confirm on e36 98' model..the rest got to get some input from other taikos..:D

[Jipster]

tyke, N2, saat....thanks dudes.....mabbee me go to ph auto this weekend :).....mabbee.......

tyke c u at tt...bring the plate thingy ok ...1 nos. only :)

[Strider]

Check this.

[Jipster]

omigosh....phallic symbols!! Is this allowed?....hmmm H4 looks like the biggest ....9004 and 9007 osso looks kinda 'up-standing ' too....

Hey thks strider dude....nah, was just thinking of going for 55w H3 for fogs...just wanna go brighter but not hotter (hence 55w whcihc i believe is standard wattage)....i dunno if the silverstars are available in that spec....havent been able to go to ph auto yet...mabbee after cny...

[Strider]

Correct me if i'm wrong sifus,

Those coding (H1, H3, H4 etc) are for the physical design of the bulb not the brightness of the bulb. The brightness of the bulb will be coded seperately such as 55W, 90W etc.

Therefor if the base of your reflector are H1, then only H1 bulb can be used (for PnP)

[Jipster]

9004...9007...refers to the kelvin(?) output of the bulb....it determines the colour of the light (among toher things) ...blueish ...white etc..

I'm just after stock standard yellow kaler...I dunno the details but I am certain H3 is for fogs and 55w is standard wattage...and kaler will be yellow....the silverstars are supposed to be brighter for the given output....

[Strider]

At the moment i'm using Ruenn Fwe brand H1 55W that will produced 85W equivalent light output (claimed) made in Korea if I'm not mistaken. It will produced more whitish light with a slight warm color (slight yellow) (good in rain i guest). Cost me RM135 per pair.

[c-square]

hey guys.... thanks for all the info. Was introduced by a good friend the Phillips BlueVision bulb which is 55W but emits out an intensity equivalent to a 100W. Was told, since it is a 55W bulb, it shouldn't prematurely burn our stock wires. The set back is that the cost is on a high side.

[2cents]

Originally posted by c-square@Feb 7 2005, 07:26 PM
hey guys.... thanks for all the info. Was introduced by a good friend the Phillips BlueVision bulb which is 55W but emits out an intensity equivalent to a 100W. Was told, since it is a 55W bulb, it shouldn't prematurely burn our stock wires. The set back is that the cost is on a high side.
Well, dun kip us in suspense. How much > Korean PnP? :blink:

[Jipster]

yeah do share dear friend......Im guessing in 2 to 3 hundred range?

[2cents]

Err, btw I thot light brillance wuz measured in lumens/ candlelite power & not wattage? :blink:

[e23_728i]

Was recentlygiven a set of H4 and H1 Philips Bluevision headlamp bulbs, quite a good spread of light on low and hi beam. According to the box it came in, the light intensity is 5000k, nearly HID territory... Coming soon hopefully!

[c-square]

if my memory serves me right, they cost just slightly below RM200 ;)

[iloveVagina]

Slightly off topic...

Mor new Tech cumming soon!

Choices, choices, choices.... (http://autos.msn.com/advice/article.aspx?contentid=4018966&src=News)

[2cents]

Originally posted by iloveVagina@Feb 8 2005, 11:09 AM
Slightly off topic...

Mor new Tech cumming soon!

Choices, choices, choices.... (http://autos.msn.com/advice/article.aspx?contentid=4018966&src=News)
Hi ilV, r u posting dis weblink on the other topic threads on "dents" too? 'Cos I'm sure forum-ers subscribing to those threads wud sure miss ur contribution there. :rolleyes:

[Vanquish]

Fellas,

Has anyone here tried the Philips CrystalVision range ? Are they any good ? Am planning ditch the Yellow-ish stocks on my E36. Not keen to upgrade to HIDs (yet) till we know what the RTD is planning to do with it ...

Some comments / suggestions would be helpful. Thanks