TRM aka Proton Savvy

[E46Fanatic]

My guess is that MyVi is a better buy.. Then again.. lets see how they both go about it.

[E46Fanatic]

Another shot.. front view

[Alvin]

Any idea on the price for the TRM? When launching?

[E46Fanatic]

Another inside..

[E46Fanatic]

Last shot..

Rumored to have a Renault powerplant... sigh.

[shaifulo]

i've seen myvi interior....TRM looks much better, at least the seats got more contour

[E46Fanatic]

TRM front headlights got some Bangle cues if you ask me..

[skycon]

Proton Savvy (TRM) will be launching today after 6pm. Cooperating with VW not Ranault. Rumored that it is the best build Proton till today.
http://www.visa.com.my/files/thumb-savvypromo.jpg

Oh btw : :D
http://www.visa.com.my/files/proton-teaser.jpg

[flash]

Originally posted by E46Fanatic@Jun 8 2005, 02:12 PM
TRM front headlights got some Bangle cues if you ask me..
Proton is the Asian BMW mar....

[bmFIVE]

The exterior shots look like clay model. It's a minimalist design, hints of Alfa 146 (front door) and Hyundai Getz (side). A good effort from Proton IMO.

[Juan Powerblow]

What's with that UGLY gear knob?!! It can hurt...

[tyke]

Originally posted by Juan Powerblow@Jun 8 2005, 02:16 AM
What's with that UGLY gear knob?!! It can hurt...
or it could give pleasure too! :nyehehe: :lol:

[shaifulo]

Originally posted by bmFIVE@Jun 8 2005, 02:01 AM
The exterior shots look like clay model. It's a minimalist design, hints of Alfa 146 (front door) and Hyundai Getz (side). A good effort from Proton IMO.
you mean 147 kot??...nothing like 146 at all IMHO

[Lionel_Koh]

I prefer TRM via photo...at least interior look better....saw Myvvi b4....so..so...only... :D

[bmFIVE]

Originally posted by shaifulo+Jun 8 2005, 07:21 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (shaifulo @ Jun 8 2005, 07:21 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-bmFIVE@Jun 8 2005, 02:01 AM
The exterior shots look like clay model. It's a minimalist design, hints of Alfa 146 (front door) and Hyundai Getz (side). A good effort from Proton IMO.
you mean 147 kot??...nothing like 146 at all IMHO [/b][/quote]
Sorry, I meant The Alfa 145 (3 doors), which has similar front door design.

[Juan Powerblow]

Originally posted by tyke+Jun 8 2005, 07:20 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (tyke @ Jun 8 2005, 07:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Juan Powerblow@Jun 8 2005, 02:16 AM
What's with that UGLY gear knob?!! It can hurt...
or it could give pleasure too! :nyehehe: :lol: [/b][/quote]
I won't know. Haven't tried, hehee! :rofl:

[Jyi1693]

finally...a great car from Proton, looks good.

[OSFlanker]

he MyVi is a Toyota/Daihatsu platform with Malaysia Boleh body panels, whereas the TRM is almost 100% Proton. Which engine are they using?

As usual, it's not the design that gets people worried, but the manufacturing quality. The Gen2 is quite a good looking car.

As this is the first post-VW vehicle, let's hope for a big improvement on quality!

PS Can a VAG 1.8T engine fit inside the TRM????? Or Jap engines like 4AG-E and Mivec???

[conan]

http://www.motortrader.com.my/NUS/articles..._235/page_m.asp (http://www.motortrader.com.my/NUS/articles/0/article_235/page_m.asp)

[wkwoo69]

I think its a great topic to consider because for the first time ever, the Ps are competing neck-to-neck with similar models launched around 2 weeks from each other.

I think the Savvy's the better design (and will handle far better), but what will seal the deal is the fit and feel of the entire car. For example, the Gen 2 looks great on paper, but the interior just feels so nasty. The door handles are an absolute disgrace. What's the point of trying to make it look upmarket when the first part of the car which the driver touches is so discouraging? Why does Proton have to be compelled to change things just for the sake of it (like Waja signal stalks, yeah, the window switches are cool looking but don't work well)

I doubt the Savvy's fit and feel is going to match, let alone, exceed the Mvvi's. There are of course deficiencies (which I will elaborate more under the myvi thread), but none at this point which indicates that it is inadequate as a long-term proposition. Remember also that by purchasing a Proton, you will be buying into a service culture where the best (and often only) explanation that Proton techs give is, "They're all like that".

All of these are may not be serious considerations to petrolheads but to the majority of Malaysian motorists (including aspiring ones),which one's going to give them better value for their hard earned in the long term will be the deciding factor.

I wish the Savvy all the greatest success, but my prediction is that its going to get the *&$t kicked out of it by the Myvi. Hopefully, there'll be more transparency and speed with the registration figures in the future.

[willie]

i just came back from the potong show room.... first of all the hatch back "door" is not user friendly liao, i tried to close it because i want to have a look at the back of this savvy; it almost injured my finger, because u see there is actually no place for u to hold the "door", so......
another thing, the door handles, wah lau eh, maybe my fingers are too big lah, it is quite small lah......

the interior wise, i am quite sure more space for the rear seats in myvi....

i think the "save we(proton)" will lose badly........

[skycon]

U know wat the Proton salesman just told me at the showroom? "We design (copy) the Savvy's headlight base on the new bmw 5 series... blah blah blah". :rofl:


http://www.motortrader.com.my/NUS/articles/0/article_235/1.jpg

[firefox]

Just came back from the showroom. While the design is inspiring, the quality of the plastics in the cockpit is crap! The door panels are just one piece of injection moulding & feels thin & hollow. Space-wise, the Myvvi beats it hands down. Overall,I think the Perodua is a better car, at least from the static display I saw. Maybe they drive better with Lotus input and all. best of luck Proton!

[wkwoo69]

Wah, you guys are really so enthusiastic. Firefox, no surprises on the cardboard-like quality. If I have the time this weekend (brother's wedding lah..), I'll drive wifey's myvi down to the biggest Edar showroom to check out the savvy!

[E28driver]

Just back from the PE showroom.

Personally I found the Savvy disappointing.

The launch package makes available just 3 colours to choose from, one transmission (manual) and one engine (1.2L) variant. The Myvi has 7, 2 and 2 respectively and in addition throws in ABS and twin airbag options which the Savvy does not even offer.

Space wise, the Myvi wins again

Savvy has the advantage on price though, 43k vs 51k although not apples and apples here since the Proton has no airbag and ABS option.

And customer perception? Lets not even go there.

Myvi beats Savvy 6 1/2 to 1/2 by my count.

I concur with wkwoo69, the Myvi will kick the Savvy's butt sales wise.

Oh and the Savvy showroom unit has wind up manual windows at the rear... :o

[BMW9700]

savvy looks darn sporty... think this car has very good potential with the younger crowd..

[wkwoo69]

Don't forget the optitron gauges on the myvi too!

[ALBundy]

Savvy is using the old Renault Clio 1.2 engine, SOHC 16V without variable valve timing. I will go with the MyVi!

Engine Specs

1,149 cc 1.1 litres in-line 4 transverse engine with 69 mm bore, 76.8 mm stroke, 9.8 compression ratio, overhead cam and four valves per cylinder D4F
Multi-point injection fuel system
Unleaded fuel 95
Performance: maximum speed (mph): 106, maximum speed (km/h): 170 and acceleration 0-100 km/h (secs): 13
Power: 55 kW , 75 HP EEC @ 5,500 rpm; , 105 Nm @ 3,500 rpm

[krazer]

HIGHLIGHTS OF THE PROTON SAVVY

Toughest production Proton bodyshell ever made
Capable of 3 stars in EuroNCAP crash test methods
Drive-by-wire throttle
4-lamp halogen bulb headlight
3-year warranty for power window system
10,000 kms service/oil change interval
20,000 kms oil filter change interval
Clutchless manual transmission to be offered in 3 months :huh: (gonna be like a sequential-type gearbox???)

I kinda like the idea of it having a drive-by-wire throttlebody. :P

IMO, I think the TRM should give us better value as it is more 'Malaysian' made as compared to the Myvi. In a sense, a larger percentage of our payment will be channelled to Toyota/Daihatsu for their design and parts if we were 2 purchase the Myvi... :D

After all, the TRM has a 1.2 litre powerplant which is the median of the range offered by the Myvi....

just my 2cents....

[kahar]

tho its just 2 floors down my office, i don hevta visit the showroom (but cant help to catch a glimpse each time i walk up my office), i cld get all the reviews in ere, heh, preety interestin facts :D :P

rgds, B)
kahar abdullah

[WAFS328]

I went to Mutiara Damansara yesterday...here's a few pics of Savvy R3 concept car...

[WAFS328]

Another pic...

[WAFS328]

from the side...

[WAFS328]

another pic...

[WAFS328]

rear...

[WAFS328]

it's just a concept car...not for sale...

[bindablitz]

This is the end and demise of Proton. (unless they start assembling Volkswagon and brand it as proton with Volks Consultants and Engineering team)

MYVI looks feels and perceive at light years ahead.

[thinice]

Saw the car at the showroom today.

Look better resolved than Gen-2. Quality of plastic parts and others is appreciably better.

Still some nagging design problems such as door handles to small, can only open the boot from the driver's level etc. And the space is small.

My main worry is the Renault engine.

Clutchless manual transmission

Hmm, I would prefer they be equipped with rear disc brakes, ABS, EBD and airbags before putting in all these exotic stuffs... but then proton is proton.

It looks good (but then so was Tiara). So, I will wait to see the second hand value after one yr. Then you know whether they got it right.

[vincent]

the r3 models are very nice can think about it for my gf

[maelzx]

The R3 version looks nice.

But normal Savvy also can turn into this R3 with those bodykit fitted to it, maybe it will be even better :)

Somehow the ugly backside turn to be quite nice in that R3 concept, black really make it looks good.

I actually dislike MyVi a little, with the design of it. But attracted by its engine ... 1.3L, DDVT .. well it turn me on.

But when I look at Savvy, I like its design (R3 even better), but the engine really turn me off ... Wondering can I switch Savvy engine with MyVi engine ?

[wkwoo69]

Just test drive both, you'll never be happy otherwise!

[willie]

just noticed that the back of the savvy resembles the front of the waja

[ALBundy]

One thing that Proton has always never get it right is their bench-marking process. They should realise the days when they can manufacture a low tech car and sell it at ridiculous prices are over! Till now, Plotong still does not have an engine with variable valve timing and they have spent 500 million for a campro engine?? Might as well buy the EG9 from Honda and I bet they would have sold a few more JUnk2 :)

[mini_jeff67]

Originally posted by E46Fanatic@Jun 8 2005, 01:12 AM
TRM front headlights got some Bangle cues if you ask me..
Ya, man. Looks straight out from the 7!

[three28]

Hmmm the R3 nice ....

I like ................. :D

[wkwoo69]

Checked out the Savvy at an EON dealer 2 days back. The quality of the interior plastic is much improved over the Gen.2's and thankfully, Proton has chosen not to fit the Savvy with the disgraceful Gen.2 door handles. The interior is significantly narrower than the myvi's and while the cutting edge design does its best to compensate, it still has a very Kenari feel of interior space.

The steering wheel plastic feels more malleable that the Gen.2's, though the salesperson (very enthusiastic and nice bloke by the name of Adzhar, Section 13 PJ branch) claims its the same. Unfortunately, I only heard about the overly long reach of the signal stalks after I checked it out, so I can't confirm that.

Ignoring the rumour that the Savvy is a rebodied Clio, the styling is, as ever, a collage of other manufacturers' (Freelander-style bonnet, pure Alfa 145 waistline and E60 headlights). Nothing wrong with that in my eyes if the result on the overall works. I think it does.It looks great with the 15s. Kudos to Proton for coming up with yet another nice one.

The discouraging bits are the cheap door lock pulls (a very thin stalk), loose and rough manual door winding mechanism and the engine air intake. Connected to the vaccumn-cleaner type hose, the crudely finished intake looks exactly like a miniature Hoover from the 70s. The boot is finished a lot better than the Gen.2's, though.

What is of great interest to the enthusiasts is the gearshift. Though the travel is longish, its absolutely rock solid and feels very precise. It also has a Volvo-style reverse catch, further reinforcing its Euro-roots.

The rationale and space conscious family person will certainly go for the myvi, and the savvy will attract the petrolheads and singles. Can't wait to test drive a savvy soon!

[skinhead]

Originally posted by three28@Jun 10 2005, 12:31 PM
Hmmm the R3 nice ....

I like ................. :D
thambi,
u drunk :rofl: ??

i nvr tot proton able to came out with a model wic "butt" ugly :lol:
nothing to brag bout this model imo. no abs, no airbag, pawafool in class for oni 75 pony ??, front oni pawa window, sohc engine...etc... even my rusty e30 oso got 120 zebras to play wit, got check control module wic save me few times oledi specially when my coolant run low, got si display to informe me when is my nx oil change gonna be, and most importantly it rear wheel drive.. all this cost me less than 20 hard cash..

proton ?? nahhh thks anyway.... :P

[wkwoo69]

Corporate: Proton's Savvy strategy
By Siow Chen Ming (The Edge Daily)

National carmakers Proton and Perodua have long been competing in different segments of the car market, with the former dominating the sedan market while the latter concentrated on the small cars area.
However, the recent launches of new models such as the Perodua MyVi and Proton Savvy have for the first time brought both the national carmakers into each other's turf.
With over 21,000 units booked in just three weeks after its official launch, the MyVi has made a strong statement on the lower range sedan segment, which has long been the domain of Proton Iswara and Wira (these two models accounted for 60% of Proton's total unit sales last year).
"The over 21,000 bookings for the MyVi would certainly suggest that Proton is losing out some market share somewhere," says a motoring analyst.
The launch of the MyVi, says Perodua, is supposed to capture the market that it concedes to Proton when Perodua owners upgrade to bigger vehicles.
Perodua is heavily promoting MyVi's cabin space which is said to be "larger than the Iswara and as big as the Wira", and has priced the MyVi at RM41,200 (on the road with insurance) for the 1-litre model and between RM44,755 and RM51,300 for the 1.3-litre model.
Analysts say the fact that more than 70% of the MyVi bookings are for the 1.3-litre model has created a bigger concern for Proton rather than worries over whether sales of existing Perodua models would be cannibalised.
Proton struck back last week with the 1.2-litre Savvy, which is priced between RM40,523 and RM43,714 (on the road with insurance) for the manual version. The automatic model will come in a few months.
Proton's management says it is not pitting the Savvy head-on against the MyVi. Rather, Proton's new model is being positioned at the segment between Perodua's older and smaller models such as the Kelisa and Kenari, and the new and bigger MyVi.
The Kelisa and Kenari, with a price range of RM37,000 to RM44,000, currently dominate sales in the small-car segment and account for half of Perodua's total unit sales.
It would seem that Proton also wants to make sure that Perodua has something to worry about. But how successful would the former's strategy be?
The price difference between the Savvy 1.2 manual (standard specifications) and MyVi 1.3 manual (with similar specifications such as sports rims and non-metallic paints) is only around RM2,300. It is also worth noting that although the Savvy 1.2 manual basic model is priced at only RM40,523, which is the same or cheaper than the price of a Kenari, this variant is not equipped with an alarm and sport rims.
Proton CEO Tengku Tan Sri Mahaleel Tengku Ariff stresses that the Savvy is not competing with the MyVi. "Technically, the Savvy has a shorter wheel base [smaller size] than the MyVi, they are not in the same vehicles segment," says Tengku Mahaleel in a media preview of the Savvy last week.
This is, however, contrary to the recent teaser advertisements by Proton that advised buyers to wait for the launch of the Savvy and hold back their decision to commit to "another car", which is commonly understood to be referring to the MyVi.
The presentation materials given by Proton officials during a media preview also did not draw comparisons between the Savvy and the MyVi, but to other models such as Kenari, Kelisa and Inokom Atos.
Perodua dealers say Proton has cleverly mapped out its strategy with the Savvy. Before the 1.2-litre Savvy was launched, speculation was that Proton's new model would be priced at between RM43,000 and RM45,000 for the manual version — as has been indicated on Proton Edar's website. The prices were deemed too near to the MyVi 1.3-litre's price range and made the Savvy less competitive because it is smaller than the MyVi.
Commenting on this, Rosle Yaakub, head of the Proton Savvy programme, says it is normal to project a higher selling price rather than a lower one. "Instead of suggesting a lower price and then increasing it, we would rather do it the other way round," he adds.
Market observers say Proton has made the right move not to position the Savvy directly against the Perodua MyVi, which has quickly attracted a strong following.
As for the reception to the Savvy, Tengku Mahaleel and Proton officials did not respond to questions about the booking numbers for this model, other than saying that there are currently 800 units of the Savvy in stock to meet initial demand.
Analysts say the Savvy could stem the loss of Proton's market share while Perodua is gearing up to compete in Proton's traditionally strong segment in the lower range sedan market.
Though the launch of the Savvy was delayed from the fourth quarter of last year, Proton seems more prepared.
At the media test-drive and the launch of the Savvy, the cars on display seemed to be in much better condition than when Proton launched the GEN.2. When taken to Proton's racetrack, the Savvy impressed journalists with its handling and power from the Renault engine.
"We hope you can see the improvements in the Savvy. When you were not happy about the plastic interior in the GEN.2 and you complained about the power windows in our cars, we took the criticisms positively and we improved on this model. We hope that you would also be fair if you think that we have done a better job with the Savvy," says Tengku Mahaleel.
This time around, the Proton management seems to be setting a more humble target for sales, after GEN.2 sales could not match projections.
Tengku Mahaleel says the scheduled production of the Savvy is around 2,000 units a month and with this capacity, Proton can at best capture 20% of the 150,000-unit-a-year small-car segment. He didn't respond to questions about sales targets.

[wkwoo69]

Note :""The over 21,000 bookings for the MyVi would certainly suggest that Proton is losing out some market share somewhere," says a motoring analyst."

What crap! I also can be a motoring analyst one leh!

[saat]

Like I posted in the P2 MYvi thread, I think the Savvy and the MYvi.are in a different class. The Savvy would be more in the class of the Kanchil, or more appropriately the Kelisa or Getz

The exterior design is simply WOW.

But I dont like the lack of interior space (esp rear headroom), the use of nasty cheap plastic for the door trims and I think the center console is over designed. 3 tone interior color.

I like the seat material and the seat. The build quality looks good.

I like most of all the road holding. It drives very well for a small 1.2 car.

[feisaldzul]

i would hv to agree with u bro

MYVi is way bigger which i was surprised as well

i like the seats too in the Savvy

[firefox]

Yes, Proton would like to believe its in a different class but their prices are similar between the Savvi & the 1 litre Myvvi, which means they clash in the market. So, its bigger c.c. vs bigger car for the same price more or less. So far, most of the people I talked to almost all chose the Myvvi. They feel for a slightly higher price, they are getting a roomier car with better quality fittingsand a better car all round.

[fabianyee]

Merging this threa with the ealier thread

[saat]

Thanks, my mistake